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Old 09-17-2009, 02:25 PM   #34
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Perhaps you shouldn't talk then. You haven't even seen Archie Moore vs Harold Johnson? What kind of an authority are you to tell people of their skills and resume when you haven't even seen them fight?
if there was anything controversial about that stoppage you'd say it already , but you didn't. so i was not wrong , you didn't correct me and a stoppage is a stoppage and a REAL win.

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His loss to Harding was decisive, he lost the fight to Jones in rounds quite clearly, Johnson fight may have gone his way, Hopkins dominated him.
i said already that tarver was drained for the hopkins fight.
another thing you should understand is that 1(1):1(0) is most of times
more than 1(0):0.
but tarver has 2(1):1(0) over roy and 1(1):1(0) over harding.

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He may have been good in rematches but he lost to top fighters about the same amount that he won. He hardly established his dominance.
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Because they were good fighters.
who did they beat ? each other ?
and don't give me a fluke decision win over HOF (that are too many)
and then ignore their long series of losses.

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Hopkins was 40+ years old.
so was tarver for the dawson fights.

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Tarver lost fat, Roy lost muscle. Roy was also weighed in at 200+ lbs on the documentary about the fight.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...1rocky.533.jpg

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/img/events.../action_03.jpg


Archie Moore lost weight to make 175 (during same day weigh ins) from well over 200 lbs numerous times yet he had no excuses.
roy was almost the same muscular at 175.
the difference is that he didn't have to make weight for the ruiz fight.
roy doesn't walk at street at 175 , he lives closer to 193 than to 175.
tarver doesn't look fat in this picture.
archie moore well over 200 in his 175 days ? really ?
i won't believe he was 175 in his 175 days , but WELL over 200 ?
what is that 'well'?

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Tell me about all the fighters Hopkins avoided at 160.
where did i say he avoided ?
he had no one to avoid in his day's 160.

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Tarver lost decisively to Harding, caught him in a rematch when Harding was coming off an injury, lost a close decision to Roy, caught him in a rematch, lost a close decision to Johnson, won a close but clear decision in the rematch, was dominated by Hopkins and beaten clearly twice by Dawson.
good to know harding came from an injury.
also defeated roy in a rubbermatch.
his win over johnson was clear , his 'loss' wasn't.
against dawson he was 40 and then 41 yo.
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Why would you bring up Moore's losses at HW then? 175 is what we are talking about.
moore's losses at HW were to 175 fighters like him.
smaller than him if anything.
especially if you are true about moore going down from well over 200
to 175 in his 175 days.
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Johnson has wins over Roy Jones, Antonio Tarver, Eric Harding, Montell Griffin, Clinton Woods, Richard Hall, controversial loss to Dawson.
and 12 losses and 2 draws to .. check boxrec and spare it from me.

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Tarver has wins over Roy Jones, Glen Johnson, Eric Harding, Montell Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Clinton Woods, two clear losses to Dawson.
twice over jones.
you forgot mohamed benguesmia.
and if those unknown guys you mentioned count , then so is ernest mateen.
again for about the fourth time : he was 40 and 41 for the dawson fights.

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Their records prove what I said.
now you they don't.
they still prove what I said.

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What historical perspective when you haven't even seen these people fight?
records.
i did see tarver , glen johnson , reggie johnson , jones fight.
and others also.

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Then again you could also say the same about Harold Johnson who suffered many controversial decision losses.
but when a stoppage is not controversial , it counts much more.


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What was so spectacular about Castro's accomplishments at 154/160? He wasn't great at any weight.
true. but that's better than being the champion of bums like hopkins was at 160 (and there are and were more like him).
even calzaghe's reign at 168 is more impressing than hopkins' at 160.
but not by far.
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