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Old 09-17-2009, 02:52 PM   #35
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Dude, you are like King Midas, nearly everything you touch here is (comedic) gold. Let's start with these gems:

- Chad Dawson and Antonio Tarver have a good chance of beating Archie Moore.
they have a chance , don't know how good.
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- Harold Johnson is below the level of Chad Dawson and Antonio Tarver.
true.
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- Chris Byrd, Orlin Norris and Jorge Castro are great but Harold Johnson isn't.
p4p they are , and harold johnson not even a great 175.
they just didn't fight in their appropriate divisions.
maybe byrd's success was because of him fighting much less mobile
HWs and SHWs.

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- If you don't prove yourself the best in your era you are not great.
true most of times. it is a criterion.
if you are not the best of your era , how are you best of all eras ?

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(Which carries the hilarious implication that you can be great if you are the best in your era, irrespective of how shit that era is.
this is not something i said. never.
it is something that hopkins , calzaghe and holmes lovers say.
and the klitschko lovers also , and many more.
especially what the old timers say.
they just don't recognize shit eras as such.
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I mean, the fact you think Chad Dawson is better than Harold Johnson is so beyond the pale of rationality to be comedically absurd).
you haven't seen the best of chad dawson yet.
he is 27. and already achieved what he did.
i am not saying he is already proven ATG , but he may be.

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- James Toney is great despite losing EVERY round to Roy Jones and getting beat by Drake Thadzi, Dave Tiberi and Montell Griffin, but Johnson isn't great because he lost a series to Archie Moore and also lost to Jersey Joe Walcott when he had a back seizure, lol. The split decision win against Ezzard Charles seals the deal.
toney was drained for the jones fight.
that's why roy picked him then.
he wasn't beaten by roy in a series of matches.
roy wanted none of him before or since their fight.
for thadzi and tiberi he was also drained.
the griffin fights were close and griffin also beat roy , don't forget.
if roy wouldn't have fouled he would have lost a decision just like james did. and for Griffin-Jones 2 Griffin was not allowed enough time to warm. griffin is underestimated himself.
i didn't know his back was broken for the walcott fight.
but he did lose perenially to moore.

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- Antotnio Tarver's resume is on par with Harold Johnson's and if we are talking quality wins, Tarver's resume is better.
true.
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- Glen Johnson is no where near Antonio Tarver in terms of p4p ranking.
when did I say it ?
tarver is better h2h 175 , that's true.
didn't compare them p4p.
johnson's loss to hopkins is embarassing , however , it has big p4p implications.
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- It's near impossible for Harold Johnson to go the distance with Vasilly Jirov, Paul Briggs, Roy Jones, Sebastiaan Rothman to say nothing of stopping Derrick Harmon and Imamu Mayfield.
when did I say it ? #2

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- It's unclear whether Archie Moore is greater than Reggie Johnson.
when did I say it ? #3
at 175 ofcourse he is.
p4p is another story.
still didn't claim anything about that either.
possibly moore is greater p4p also , but i am not sure.

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- Harold Johnson is not better than Reggie Johnson.
maybe at 175 he is.
p4p no.

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- Wins against Henry Hall, Jimmy Slade, Paul Andrews, Wayne Bethea, Arturo Godoy, Gustav Scholz and Leonard Morrow are meaningless compared to wins against Glen Johnson, Eric Harding, Clinton Woods, Montell Griffin and Reggie Johnson.
when did I say it ? #4
don't know those forgotten ranked contenders that probably beat only each other and maybe a couple of them even succeeded to snitch some
controversial SD or MD over an ATG.
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- Your claims are based on a full historical perspective
quite full.
didn't know harding's injury for tarver and johnson's for walcott.
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