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Old 09-21-2009, 01:44 AM   #126
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Default Re: Holyfield...Did he just have Tyson's number?

Originally Posted by Jersey Joe View Post
If Tyson had kept Kevin Rooney, kept training properly, not been distracted by women/money/fame, not gone to jail for ****, then...he wouldn't be Mike Tyson would he? He'd be another person. And since we're judging the actual Mike Tyson vs the actual Evander Holyfield, not a hypothetical perfect alternate reality Tyson without any flaws vs the actual Holyfield warts & all, since the latter would be a ridiculous apples to oranges comparison.

Hey, I have an idea - what if Ali had Tyson's power, Marciano's training discipline, Gene Tunney's IQ and boxing smarts, and Ray Arcel as his personal fight strategist? What if Joe Louis had a granite chin and Jersey Joe Walcott's slickness and WWII had not happened? What if I was an invicincilbe superman who could knock guys out just by looking at them?

Sometimes when talking with Tyson fans I get the impression they think Mike would have been all these things combined, if only he hadn't...{insert random excuse here}.
A lot of hypothetical situations come up because, well.....that's what a lot of historical boxing discussion is.

The very question of this thread "Did Holyfield have Tyson's number?" is another way of saying "Would Holyfield beat any version of Tyson?". So of course people are going to bring up the changes and up and downs of each fighter's career. I don't see anything wrong with that. Just because you hear a lot of the same reasons for Tyson over and over again shouldn't diminish the argument.

And I don't think anyone can argue Tyson depreciated farther (and most of it was his fault) than almost any other fighter in such a short amount of time.
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