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Old 09-23-2009, 04:32 PM   #64
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Default Re: Rocky Marciano or Jack Johnson who was the greater fighter?

Originally Posted by Seamus View Post
Unfortunately, this is heart of most arguments for Johnson's greatness...

I prefer the following facts...

Limited and otherwise average Hart did enough to beat him.

Little Choynkski knocked him cold.

Little, pitty-patter O'Brien fought him to a draw (whilst Ketchell and Langford KTFO of O'Brien)

Jim Johnson fought him to a draw and depending on your source might have deserved a knock out.

Tiny, booze-soaked Ketchell caught the defensive master with a haymaker and downed him.

Claims of his greatness often refer to his beating Jeanette. How many fighters in the last 100 years get credit for beating an absolute novice over and over, essentially as record padding?

and more, and more...

There are enough red flags to warrant heavy skepticism regarding the lofty heights to which Johnson enthusiasts have vaulted him.
Your posts are provocative which is good ,we dont agree on Johnson ,but that's fine.How you interpret his career is up to you.
I dont think being kod by Choynsky was a disgrace,Johnson was in his 8th fight and Choynsky kod 34 of his 51 victims.
Johnson broke his arm against Jim Johnson.
Ketchel was in good shape for Johnson he weighed 170lbs more than Fitz did in most of his fights.
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