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Old 09-28-2007, 02:27 PM   #18
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Default Re: Was Ali's second tier list better than some first tier lists?

Originally Posted by groove
Quarry, Ellis, Young and Lyle - those fighters are as good as the 50s contenders - light heavies Moore and Charles - look at what happened to a great light heavy in Bob Foster when he fought top class heavies like Frazier or Ali - no ****ing contest. Old Walcott and Louis. Man Rocky would've had tougher fights against that bunch as they were proper heavies apart from Ellis and at their peak - Rocky fought no fighter at their peak and definitely no proper heavy. They all would beat Don ****ell. **** Chuvalu, Bonavena, Terrell, Shavers, even Bugner would've beaten him up.
Bob Foster? He never beat a top ten heavyweight. Not exactly the same as these men.

Peak? So what. You can come halfway down Mt Everest and still be much higher than your local hill, even if the hill looks pretty tall if you're standing next to it. These guys weren't that good nor that big. Ellis, possibly actually the best of them, as he beat Patterson, Quarry, Bonavena, Chuvalo, and Martin, had been an ordinary middleweight who never cracked the middleweight rankings and had a losing record against rated middleweights.
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