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Old 10-11-2007, 07:39 PM   #53
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Default Re: Jack Johnson news reads. Battling Jim, MCvey, Jeanette, and Langford!

Hey Mendoza,

Thanks for the reply on Johnson-Wills. I agree with you on the
great points that you have made regarding Johnson. I also
think that the Willard KO was legitimate. I don't think that
Jack had the sturdiest of chins. Joe Choynski flattened him
with one left hook, and Ketchel dropped him. Guys like Al
Kaufman and Jim Flynn were VERY limited in their abilities.

I think that Sam Langford would have been tough when Johnson
was approaching his mid-thirties. Look at Langford's record of
KOing guys like Gunboat Smith and a bunch of the other White
Hopes. There were a few other Black fighters besides Langford
and Jeannette that were tough and could have given Jack a
tough time.


Originally Posted by Mendoza
Nat and Jack were friends. Friends tend to over rate friends. I always laugh when they ask a trainer to or manager to rate his fighters. Is this the crutch you using?

I suppose if you think Nat is spot, on that Fitzsimmons is your #3 all time heavyweight too. And Corbett is what, #5?! Jeffries is 4-0, 4 KO's vs two of Nat's all time top five heavies. No other man on the list can come close to saying that. Johnson old beat the shell of Jeffries, and since Nat and Jack had an Ali and Cosell writer and fighter type of relationship, this must be Nat's friendly justification of why Johnson was the best. Just a hunch. Nat also said Jeffries beat the best competition.

And by the way, Fitz and Corbett are not in my top 15. I am objective. Try it sometime.

As to Grebfan's comment, yeah, Wills probably beats Johnson in 1915. It would not matter because Wills was probably too risky for Johnson to fight. Willard wasn't much of a boxer. He was big and slow, which is why Johnson probably risked the fight. Willard in my opinion was the most formidable fighter Johnson gave a title shot to. Oh, and the fight is completely mis understood. Johnson was not up 25-0 before getting knocked out. The fight was close to even. It was a tale of two fights. Johnson in control until round 15 or so, then Willard took command from rounds 16 to finish. Maybe Willard one 1-2 early rounds, and Johnson won 1-2 late rounds. Try reading the full round by round sometime or watching the near full fight. Other bogus claims about this fight were the heat was 105? Really? The weather archives don't say that. And Johnsonís dive claim is hilarious too. Just like his claim of injuring his arm in round three vs Jim Johnson, when the entire crowd saw the injury in round ten!

Other foot notes: Corbett did not do well vs Jeffries in the second fight. You are wrong.

Witherpsoon is 5x the fighter of the lesser fighters who gave Johnson trouble.

Ali and Dempsey had some issues, but they had far less than Johnson.

School is out. I have work to do. Up next for you is paragraph formation, then some more news reads.

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