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Old 07-04-2007, 01:13 PM   #20
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Default Re: Joe Louis's Opposition (old story, I know)

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Originally Posted by cross_trainer
I note that several tend to rate how good a fighter is from Louis's era based upon how good he was against Louis. Seems a bit circular if we're considering Louis's legacy (so-and-so gave Louis trouble, so he must be an excellent fighter, so he contributes to Louis's legacy).

Instead, we should consider who has the best record against other non-Louis contenders, even if Louis clobbered them in a single round (as Foreman clobbered Frazier and Liston clobbered Patterson, even though Patterson and Frazier were great fighters).
These are some top heavys' records for the 1930 to 1955 era:
1. 56-10-4 (40) 2. 71-13-0 (53) 3. 51-26-6 (26)
4. 38-14-3 (13) 5. 81-30-13(24) 6. 53-7-5 (17)
7. 68-3-0 (54) 8. 64-12-1 (15) 9. 50-7-0 (45)
10. 49-9-5 (31) 11. 82-13-1 (60) 12. 51-18-2 (32)
13. 90-25-1 (51) 14. 49-0-0 (43) 15. 93-40-3 (65)
16. 185-23-11 (131) 17. 90-14-0 (72) 18. 87-13-1 (70)

Comment--If I asked you to chose the outstanding fighters out of these,
I think most would pick #14 and #7 who clearly have the outstanding
records.

These are some top heavys' records for the early 1980's to today:
1. 69-6-0 (44) 2. 42-8-2 (27) 3. 41-2-1 (32) 4. 76-5-0 (6
5. 70-6-3 (43) 6. 42-1-0 (33) 7. 48-3-0 (43) 8. 33-6-1 (21)
9. 41-18-1 (2 10. 53-6-2 (33) 11. 35-2-0 (34) 12. 34-3-2 (27)
13. 42-1-0 (35) 14. 55-13-1 (3 15. 49-4-1 (3 16. 42-6-2 (33)
17. 40-5-0 (3 18. 41-7-1 (2 19. 51-8-0 (36) 20. 40-3-1 (21)
21. 42-3-0 (31) 22. 64-2-0 (43) 23. 50-6-0 (44) 24. 47-3-1 (42)

Comment-If you couldn't guess whose records are whose, could you
figure out who the best fighters are? #13 and #22 have among the
best records. I wonder if anyone on this forum would consider them
among the top ten heavyweights of their era.

I did not try to stack the results. These are the records of highly
rated fighters taken off Boxrec and shuffled about.

*The goofy smiling guy is an 8.
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