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Old 07-04-2007, 03:38 PM   #43
Marciano Frazier
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Default Re: So what exactly is wrong with Nat Fleischer's top 10 heavyweight list?

Originally Posted by TBooze
It was not amateur as you cannot turn amateur again after being a pro, hence no pro's in the Olympics. And Caggiano admitted to paying him for the bout, indeed all his supposed amateur bouts. (Lords of the Ring; The greatest fighters since 1950 pages 44 to 4.

The facts are Marciano made his pro debut in March 1947 and loss a decision in March 1948...
It was against the rules for Marciano to fight an amateur match after having a professional fight("turning professional" is really pretty misleading, as it was a low-pay club fight which Marciano viewed as pretty much a one-time thing at the time), but that doesn't magically transform an amateur fight into a professional fight. They are two entirely different things. Do you think Boxrec should list Wallace as having made his pro debut against Marciano and add all of Marciano's amateur fights between Epperson and Bilazarian to his record? Of course not. You can't magically transform an amateur match(an unpaid fight fought over three rounds with amateur equipment under amateur rules and an amateur commission in an amateur tournament) into a professional match(a paid fight over more than three rounds with professional equipment, professional rules and professional officiating) because one guy sidestepped the system a little to participate in the amateur match.

Do you think that if, tomorrow, Wladimir Klitschko went to a Casino with a boxing ring one night, got really drunk and participated in an amateur fight with some towny, and was clocked with a wild haymaker and knocked out cold, that the loss should go on his record and the other guy should become the new IBF heavyweight beltholder? Of course not. If it turned out Marciano was secretly fighting and losing in dozens of amateur fights throughout his entire pro career and had made the rackets and lost at least one amateur fight on every Indian Reservation in the United States while he was champion, his 49-0 record would still be authentic.
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