Never Gymless: Opinions

[patch1983]

You had an entry this year.

[patch1983]

What EXACTLY did I not understand from your posts

[Johnboy2007]

Originally Posted by patch1983

Johnboy I follow his ideas in his book (which is the point of his books). There is no reason I have to do his workouts in the book for me to be able to comment. I have also discussed my training with him by email.

mrSmall is talking trash about someone who can deadlift around 600lbs while he is weak.

I follow his ideas / workouts too.I dont think he is god however. Hes one of many training resources to use. But i dont know or care if hes a good person or not. I dont think Mr Small does either really just made a passing comment which you seemed to take as a massive offence. And what youve posted since about Mr Small is exactly what you accused him of in the first place! Your talking trash about someone you know nothing about except you claim to have read his training blog which you havnt said when it was written and you dont know what Mr Smalls goals were at the time. Except you think its perfectly fine to you would not take any advice from him.

[Matt Ldn]

Mr Small i find this term bandied about willy nilly on this site but you trully are a scholar and a gent, a true Gad about town. Currently i am a poor student but hopefully at some point in the not so distant future i will have some money and would like to work out a full routine and diet with you. Until that day i will just try and improve as best i can and work out what specific goals i want to achieve.

Thanks again for all the help but one final small question when people say an arched back during squatting i dont really understand does that mean wth the middle of the back pushed in?? Back problems are something im terrified of so ive always shunned overdoing my deadlift/squats (never going above 100kg)

[Matt Ldn]

p.s. i seriously wouldnt responding to this Patch fellow if he cant understand what youve been saying for the last few pages hes not going to suddenly understand now. Im ashamed at what hes done to one of the few threads ive ever made

[Johnboy2007]

Originally Posted by patch1983

Johnboy I follow his ideas in his book (which is the point of his books). There is no reason I have to do his workouts in the book for me to be able to comment. I have also discussed my training with him by email.

mrSmall is talking trash about someone who can deadlift around 600lbs while he is pathetically weak.

No one should give advice to other people unless they walk the walk.

Not that he was trash talking... but does that mean anyone who can deadlift 600lbs youd never question anything they said regarding training?

[Johnboy2007]

Originally Posted by Matt Ldn

p.s. i seriously wouldnt responding to this Patch fellow if he cant understand what youve been saying for the last few pages hes not going to suddenly understand now. Im ashamed at what hes done to one of the few threads ive ever made

Yeh your right i was just killing some time thats why posters like him are handy to keep around. Anywhos Im out now as theres a film on i want to watch

Oh and agree with your comments on Mr Small

although i do fear he may have some virtual lipstick on his arse from both of us

[MrSmall]

Just to clarify, what I meant by my post on the man.

The books are good, the methods are good, he is in VERY good shape himself, that wasn't in dispute anyway but you compared me to him and said he is a strong guy, wahtever. A lot of folk would do very well to read them and follow the routines in the book, or make his own from the readings. He has brought to the attention of a lot of people a simple and effective way to train which caters well to boxing.

I do not like him personally, some of his ideas are innovative or "hardcore" just to tick that box in people's minds rather than being anything differently effective, and he gets too much worship on the internet, which doubly annoys me as I am sure there are people using this training and churning out champions, but nobody knows about them because they are not American (sorry but when it comes to online training, majority are out of the US so they get a lot of exposure!) and not running an active website. There are other ways to improve your strength that are better than the ones outlined in his writing, if you have the equipment and time to learn the technique. And people should have in mind that he is selling books, getting clicks to his website and attention to his name off of producing his programs and writing his articles. The articles and stories are good though, this is not in doubt. But just like a lot of other articles on the interwebs about training, they will probably work for some time or seem new and interesting, because that is the whole point of the writer making them.

Once again though I highlight that the book Never Gymless and Infinite Intensity, ARE good training manuals to have.

That's all I meant. Ultimately, it is my own opinion, so it doesn't matter if you disagree with me or think I am wrong, that is your opinion, the other people can make their minds up.

Where is this entry from this year?? I found my restarted log which lasted 3 posts which was in 2009, and my old one with the few pages from 2008.

[patch1983]

Put it like this I would never take advice from some as weak as mrSmall. By the way he did put his goals on the log. He is weaker then I was when I first started out. Johnboy you seem to have trouble reading, I said he had a log (short one) this year.

[MrSmall]

Originally Posted by Matt Ldn

Mr Small i find this term bandied about willy nilly on this site but you trully are a scholar and a gent, a true Gad about town. Currently i am a poor student but hopefully at some point in the not so distant future i will have some money and would like to work out a full routine and diet with you. Until that day i will just try and improve as best i can and work out what specific goals i want to achieve.

Thanks again for all the help but one final small question when people say an arched back during squatting i dont really understand does that mean wth the middle of the back pushed in?? Back problems are something im terrified of so ive always shunned overdoing my deadlift/squats (never going above 100kg)

Thank you for your comment Matt. Diet and training is quite straightforward, you don't have to hire me for a specific plan or anything, I can give you a rough outline which will serve you quite well for a pretty long time.

Don't worry about back problems. 99% of back problems have nothing to do with your back. Usually it is imbalances, tightness or injury to your IT band, hamstrings, quads, glutes, vmo, sciatic nerve, calves, or footwear.
Arched back is something you should have with most lifting, as it gives you a solid base and is a strong link in the "chain" that transfers power through your body. Arched back means sticking your tailbone out. Lay flat on the floor and get someone to put a hand through under your lower back to the other side, arch your back and they should be able to do it, if you don't, they won't be able to. Hard to explain as its a natural thing.

The best thing against back injuries or injuries in general? be STRONG and MOBILE. Get stronger, and work on your flexibility, and mobility in your joints, plus use solid technique, no rush for the weight, it will come.

Originally Posted by Matt Ldn

p.s. i seriously wouldnt responding to this Patch fellow if he cant understand what youve been saying for the last few pages hes not going to suddenly understand now. Im ashamed at what hes done to one of the few threads ive ever made

I think its just a big misunderstanding with the guy, and I feel I should clear things up as I used to follow Ross' books too and didn't want to take away from that style of training as was the original question anyway.

Originally Posted by Johnboy2007

Not that he was trash talking... but does that mean anyone who can deadlift 600lbs youd never question anything they said regarding training?

Yeah I don't really understand why that was brought up, to make me feel weak? The guy has been training 10-15 years longer than me, and the video of him doing a partial trap bar lift of 585lbs is quite old, and I've done that before anyway.

[MrSmall]

Originally Posted by patch1983

Put it like this I would never take advice from some as weak as mrSmall. By the way he did put his goals on the log. He is weaker then I was when I first started out. Johnboy you seem to have trouble reading, I said he had a log (short one) this year.

I'm with you on not listening to weak people telling you how to get strong.. but please post the link up as I don't know what you are talking about, I had a look through my posts and couldn't find anything.

Originally Posted by Johnboy2007

I follow his ideas / workouts too.I dont think he is god however. Hes one of many training resources to use. But i dont know or care if hes a good person or not. I dont think Mr Small does either really just made a passing comment which you seemed to take as a massive offence. And what youve posted since about Mr Small is exactly what you accused him of in the first place! Your talking trash about someone you know nothing about except you claim to have read his training blog which you havnt said when it was written and you dont know what Mr Smalls goals were at the time. Except you think its perfectly fine to you would not take any advice from him.

Thanks for the supporting post but I used to be weak as piss, if he is looking at my 2008 log when I just started then I wasn't anything impressive for sure, pretty low even for a beginner. We all start somewhere

[Johnboy2007]

Originally Posted by patch1983

Put it like this I would never take advice from some as weak as mrSmall. By the way he did put his goals on the log. He is weaker then I was when I first started out. Johnboy you seem to have trouble reading, I said he had a log (short one) this year.

So on that basis and theory Manny Pac , being stronger , fitter and in better condition should get rid of alex ariza. As Alex Ariza is weaker than Manny should never take advice from someone weaker than himself.

For example i am stronger better fitter fast and more athletic in every department than my best mate. However he constantly surprises me and his knowledge is far superior to mine about everything training and nutrition... Although im catching up

I know i said im out but the adverts are on

[patch1983]

Just for the record I don't care if you like him (I have said this before but Johnboy seems unable to read). You said stuff which just not true (I quoted the bits im talking about). You can't post stuff thats not true on a public forum then moan when someone pulls you up on it.

You made comments like this "He's just a guy earning his living off of very basic and very effective methods that any half decent gym or trainer in the world would tell you to do".
This is not true. He makes his living training training world class athletes.

[MrSmall]

As a general rule, if you see someone with results you want, or is a respected individual in his field, it is better to follow their advice and give their methods a try, rather than some random weak skinny guy telling you how to get big and strong.

Originally Posted by patch1983

Just for the record I don't care if you like him (I have said this before but Johnboy seems unable to read). You said stuff which just not true (I quoted the bits im talking about). You can't post stuff thats not true on a public forum then moan when someone pulls you up on it.

You made comments like this "He's just a guy earning his living off of very basic and very effective methods that any half decent gym or trainer in the world would tell you to do".
This is not true. He makes his living training training world class athletes.

I wasn't moaning, I haven't called you names, I haven't done anything except respond directly because I think this is just a big misunderstanding or you don't want to listen to anyone else's thoughts on the matter, which is the point of a forum.

I never said gym, I said half decent trainer.. and there are NOT many around for a start. And I don't want to go off on this tangent because it will end up with me having to bash the guy to support my point, which was not my intention. Everyone makes a living somehow. His books, dvds have a pricetag, his website has ads. That's ALL I meant.

[MrSmall]

And where is my log?