Muay Thai

learner · 07-02-2011, 07:06 AM

Watched a fight which featured Rungrawee (vs Seeoy Sor Soonuntachai) on Youtube last night which a friend had reccomended.

Rungrawee looks the business to my untrained eye but I couldn't help but feel he would last 10 seconds with an aggressive boxer like Barrera in his prime. Thai boxers at the elite level seem very deliberate in their techniques and I appreciate that an elbow or knee could suddenly come from any angle but a Barrera or Tszyu type fighter who is coiled on the back foot with fast hands, great sense of range and distance pushing forward with a truly aggressive mindset would surely school Rungrawee.

Respect to the Muay Thai fighters. Great sense of tradition and pride.

viru§™ · 07-02-2011, 07:43 AM

Muay Thai is a different beast to boxing. They're heavily into their kicks, punches don't mean shit (unless they result in a KO of course). But if a boxer gets close enough to clinch vs a Muay Thai fighter he's most likely fucked.

But lets not get into the this sport vs this sport thing, it's annoying and completely pointless.

rooq · 07-02-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by learner

Rungrawee looks the business to my untrained eye but I couldn't help but feel he would last 10 seconds with an aggressive boxer like Barrera in his prime. Thai boxers at the elite level seem very deliberate in their techniques and I appreciate that an elbow or knee could suddenly come from any angle but a Barrera or Tszyu type fighter who is coiled on the back foot with fast hands, great sense of range and distance pushing forward with a truly aggressive mindset would surely school Rungrawee.

Respect to the Muay Thai fighters. Great sense of tradition and pride.

at boxing yes....

as Virus says theres absolutely no point in comparing the two sports. a boxer is not trained to deal with the muaythai fighters equivalent of a jab - i.e. the low roundhouse or pushkick, nor have they havent spent several years conditioning their shins.

learner · 07-02-2011, 08:07 PM

Point taken Thankyou both.

07-02-2011, 09:06 PM

Olympic Taekwondo & Boxing.........vs.........Boxing............................................ this is Soccer.

07-02-2011, 09:09 PM

That’s why Ricks Hatton likes to street fight in the ring and forehead kiss you at the weigh in.

07-02-2011, 09:11 PM

dasaint66 · 07-02-2011, 09:18 PM

Anuwat Kaewsamrit is a Thai boxer who focuses heavily on punches

dasaint66 · 07-02-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by viru§™

Muay Thai is a different beast to boxing. They're heavily into their kicks, punches don't mean shit (unless they result in a KO of course). But if a boxer gets close enough to clinch vs a Muay Thai fighter he's most likely fucked.

But lets not get into the this sport vs this sport thing, it's annoying and completely pointless.

Some top fighters in Thailand are using western boxing coaches to improve their punches. Someone with good fists catches alot of people off guard and results in knockouts.

learner · 07-03-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dasaint66

Some top fighters in Thailand are using western boxing coaches to improve their punches. Someone with good fists catches alot of people off guard and results in knockouts.

So you think they are in a transition period? How is that going down with the aficionados and fans? Is there any resistance? I was thinking of how some boxing fans view MMA and the rise of UFC. Very polarised opinions out there. Are Muay Thai fighters and coaches switching their focus or just strenghtening their skills? Boxing stance and punch execution must force them to make all kinds of adjustments. Offensively and defensively. Interesting stuff.

dasaint66 · 07-04-2011, 04:42 AM

I think it's just adaptation to their environment and being exposed to new stuff. Dutch kickboxers first brought the heavy punching style to Thailand. They knew they couldn't win on points because of bias judges and went for the K.O. Perfect example is Ramon Dekkers.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-4cT8stsHQ&feature=related[/ame]

Then you have fighters like Buakaw Por Pramuk who is a traditional Thaiboxer who focused 95% on kicks who added a boxing coach to his team and was suddenly knocking his opponents out with right hooks and slipping/dodging punches like a pro.

Knockouts are never guaranteed and they score things differently so the majority of fighters tend to be stronger with their legs.

They aren't changing up their stance as it would leave them too exposed to low kicks. From what I've seen they are moving/dodging alot more like western boxers. If the majority of your opponents are strong kickers then you're probably not going to be fantastic at defending against someone with powerful hands and that's where boxing training would come into play.

apeboy · 07-05-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by learner

So you think they are in a transition period? How is that going down with the aficionados and fans? Is there any resistance? I was thinking of how some boxing fans view MMA and the rise of UFC. Very polarised opinions out there. Are Muay Thai fighters and coaches switching their focus or just strenghtening their skills? Boxing stance and punch execution must force them to make all kinds of adjustments. Offensively and defensively. Interesting stuff.

I think they're just strengthening their skills. As DaSaint said Anuwat Kaewsamrit, one of the p4p top fighters in recent years has a lot of punch knockouts and is hugely popular. One of the consensus GOAT nak muay's Samart Payakroon was really adept at punching and a WBC boxing champion in the 90's. It's generally accepted well

rokurota · 07-06-2011, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by learner

Watched a fight which featured Rungrawee (vs Seeoy Sor Soonuntachai) on Youtube last night which a friend had reccomended.

Rungrawee looks the business to my untrained eye but I couldn't help but feel he would last 10 seconds with an aggressive boxer like Barrera in his prime. Thai boxers at the elite level seem very deliberate in their techniques and I appreciate that an elbow or knee could suddenly come from any angle but a Barrera or Tszyu type fighter who is coiled on the back foot with fast hands, great sense of range and distance pushing forward with a truly aggressive mindset would surely school Rungrawee.

Respect to the Muay Thai fighters. Great sense of tradition and pride.

2-3 leg kicks and any boxer who is not also a thai boxer/kickboxer in their spare time would quit, probably wouldn't even get a punch off. those things are like getting hit with a baseball bat. thai fighters spend a lot of time killing the nerves in their legs. that as well as having to worry about getting caught in a plum and fed elbows and knees changes things up a lot.

i agree though, a most of them have bad hands. bad enough to make me cringe and stop watching sometimes.

StillWill · 07-06-2011, 03:12 AM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr0M47yJsEQ[/ame]

learner · 07-06-2011, 09:48 AM

That made for excellent viewing. Masato has fantastic hands and took advantage of Buakaw's guard and lack of head movement. Buakaw seems to be stronger but in this fight not as fluid or able to match Masato's work rate. Buakaw was knocking at the door with those kicks though. Masato would have benefited from hand combinations ending every time with the front leg kick Buakaw uses. Use the kick almost as a slip as he dipped down to the left. He doesn't seem as flexible in the hips when he lets the kicks go though. My name is Learner, tell me if I'm wrong. Thanks for the link.

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learner Journeyman Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 73 vCash: 500	Muay Thai Watched a fight which featured Rungrawee (vs Seeoy Sor Soonuntachai) on Youtube last night which a friend had reccomended. Rungrawee looks the business to my untrained eye but I couldn't help but feel he would last 10 seconds with an aggressive boxer like Barrera in his prime. Thai boxers at the elite level seem very deliberate in their techniques and I appreciate that an elbow or knee could suddenly come from any angle but a Barrera or Tszyu type fighter who is coiled on the back foot with fast hands, great sense of range and distance pushing forward with a truly aggressive mindset would surely school Rungrawee. Respect to the Muay Thai fighters. Great sense of tradition and pride.
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07-02-2011, 07:43 AM	#2
viru§™ Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,690 vCash: 1000	Re: Muay Thai Muay Thai is a different beast to boxing. They're heavily into their kicks, punches don't mean shit (unless they result in a KO of course). But if a boxer gets close enough to clinch vs a Muay Thai fighter he's most likely fucked. But lets not get into the this sport vs this sport thing, it's annoying and completely pointless.
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learner Journeyman Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 73 vCash: 500	Re: Muay Thai Point taken Thankyou both.
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dasaint66 newbie Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 25 vCash: 500	Re: Muay Thai Anuwat Kaewsamrit is a Thai boxer who focuses heavily on punches
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dasaint66 newbie Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 25 vCash: 500	Re: Muay Thai I think it's just adaptation to their environment and being exposed to new stuff. Dutch kickboxers first brought the heavy punching style to Thailand. They knew they couldn't win on points because of bias judges and went for the K.O. Perfect example is Ramon Dekkers. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-4cT8stsHQ&feature=related[/ame] Then you have fighters like Buakaw Por Pramuk who is a traditional Thaiboxer who focused 95% on kicks who added a boxing coach to his team and was suddenly knocking his opponents out with right hooks and slipping/dodging punches like a pro. Knockouts are never guaranteed and they score things differently so the majority of fighters tend to be stronger with their legs. They aren't changing up their stance as it would leave them too exposed to low kicks. From what I've seen they are moving/dodging alot more like western boxers. If the majority of your opponents are strong kickers then you're probably not going to be fantastic at defending against someone with powerful hands and that's where boxing training would come into play.
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07-06-2011, 09:48 AM	#15
learner Journeyman Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 73 vCash: 500	Re: Muay Thai That made for excellent viewing. Masato has fantastic hands and took advantage of Buakaw's guard and lack of head movement. Buakaw seems to be stronger but in this fight not as fluid or able to match Masato's work rate. Buakaw was knocking at the door with those kicks though. Masato would have benefited from hand combinations ending every time with the front leg kick Buakaw uses. Use the kick almost as a slip as he dipped down to the left. He doesn't seem as flexible in the hips when he lets the kicks go though. My name is Learner, tell me if I'm wrong. Thanks for the link.
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