Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > General Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-12-2011, 09:44 AM   #76
jr78487
newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 25
vCash: 500
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by BewareofDawg View Post
No, but the footwork and counterpunching JMM did to Pac, Floyd is faster and better at.
Mayweather is better in footwork and counterpunching BUT Marquez take risk when he counter punch. He's not scared to receive some to unload his shit..Big difference there dude..
jr78487 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 07-12-2011, 09:50 AM   #77
BewareofDawg
P4P Champ
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: At The ESB VIP Table!
Posts: 12,881
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by jr78487 View Post
Mayweather is better in footwork and counterpunching BUT Marquez take risk when he counter punch. He's not scared to receive some to unload his shit..Big difference there dude..
Yeah, that's a good point. That's why Marquez got dropped both fights though and as a result didn't win. Floyd won't make those mistakes, he will tag him and then leave before Pac hits him.
BewareofDawg is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 09:59 AM   #78
jr78487
newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 25
vCash: 500
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by BewareofDawg View Post
Yeah, that's a good point. That's why Marquez got dropped both fights though and as a result didn't win. Floyd won't make those mistakes, he will tag him and then leave before Pac hits him.
Good point.. let's see what will happen..
jr78487 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 10:06 AM   #79
boxbox
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,117
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by BewareofDawg View Post
My point is the tools JMM used to neutralize Pac, Floyd has and is much better.

It's like saying this:

I can't use the Maidana fight as a basis to predict how Floyd will do against Victor Ortiz. Because they fight NOTHING alike.

I can however, use the Petersen fight. Because the things Petersen did that troubled Ortiz, Floyd can do and do alot better.

It's not about "common opponents", it's about styles.

When was the last time Roach and Arum put Pac in the ring with a slick counter puncher?? When? The last guy with the skill and speed to counter him was JMM. JMM and Floyd are the two best counter punchers in the sport. Floyd is #1 though, but a large margin.


Understand now?
Floyd and JMM dont fight alike, they are completely different. JMM is an aggressive defense specialist, He tends to be more aggressive while engaging. That is the only way you can win against Pac by point. Floyd is a non-aggressive defense potshotter, he does not engage when the opponent is at full offense, he waits for a lull before he throws the right straight. Pac will be gone by then. Floyds offense is different from JMM as well. He only does it when he smells his opponents to be tiring. Pac doesnt tire. If Floyd could study JMM's defense and apply it, he should beat Pac.
boxbox is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2011, 11:30 AM   #80
I like Boxing
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Pac is overrated? No shit
 Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2011, 10:49 AM   #81
Gyro
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 83
vCash: 500
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by badassQatari View Post
no, those resume looks impressive at every letter , more especially considering that packy started fighting at 106.

barrera. 2003, everyone was saying this fight was not winnable but he went on beating the shit of the #3 P4P best fighter that time. and also, barrera was very much at his prime back then. you dont get too many 'shot' fighter moving up in weight and beating the hell out that division king do you?


JMM. pac was robbed on the the first fight big time. ask the judge. fact. jmm fought a dehydrated packy and still lost the fight clearly. another fact.

morales. morales beat a half blind pac on the first time, but got destroyed totally twice after that. fact. morales was still at his prime on the second and on the slide on the third fight. even the morales version of pac3 was good enough to beat just anybody other than pac at 130 back then.

diaz, a very dangerous big puncher. prime.

hoya, everybody was saying this is a suicide fight for pac. fact.

hatton. 140 king, king, KING!. a very dangerous slick fighter.

cotto, margo, mosley, considering that packy started off as 106 fighter, the mere fact that he fights at a world class level at 140 is an accomplishment by itself. and oh, they say pac was dominating and destroying them all.
I'll give you another FACT, ODLH dropped from 162 to 145 at 35 years of age in just a matter of days. Shot, too old and dehydrated that they had to rehydrate Oscar after the fight with medical means. Just because some people thought pacman shouldn't have taken the fight does not make his "victory" over and old Oscar such a huge victory.

Diaz - and overrated fighter who isn't as good as some people like you think
Hatton - "KING"? another overrated fighter who was giving his last licks
Barrera - shot way too many wars including TWO grueling wars with Morales
Morales - shot including he had fought his trilogy with Barrera by the time he fought Pacman(and still managed to school Pac the first time)
Marquez - beat Pacquiao two times, Marquez was robbed BOTH times, a judge scored one round 10-7 instead of 10-6 for Pacman, so what? Marquez was robbed because the judges didn't score more rounds for Marquez like they should have. Pacquiao won only one round after the first at best. The fact that you cling to what the third judge scored makes you so uneducated about this fight.

Study Pacquiao's career over the last few years, he has cherry picked A LOT.

No matter what things you try to bring up most of these fighters were either overrated(good but not that good) or shot by the time Pacquiao got to fight them. And just because you overuse the word "fact" after every sentence does not make them facts. Go look up fact before you over use the word wrongfully.
Gyro is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2011, 10:51 AM   #82
Gyro
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 83
vCash: 500
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by I like Boxing View Post
Pac is overrated? No shit
Gyro is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2011, 10:57 AM   #83
cesare-borgia
‹bermensch in fieri
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Weed capital of the world
Posts: 14,469
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyro View Post
I'll give you another FACT, ODLH dropped from 162 to 145 at 35 years of age in just a matter of days. Shot, too old and dehydrated that they had to rehydrate Oscar after the fight with medical means. Just because some people thought pacman shouldn't have taken the fight does not make his "victory" over and old Oscar such a huge victory.

Diaz - and overrated fighter who isn't as good as some people like you think
Hatton - "KING"? another overrated fighter who was giving his last licks
Barrera - shot way too many wars including TWO grueling wars with Morales
Morales - shot including he had fought his trilogy with Barrera by the time he fought Pacman(and still managed to school Pac the first time)
Marquez - beat Pacquiao two times, Marquez was robbed BOTH times, a judge scored one round 10-7 instead of 10-6 for Pacman, so what? Marquez was robbed because the judges didn't score more rounds for Marquez like they should have. Pacquiao won only one round after the first at best. The fact that you cling to what the third judge scored makes you so uneducated about this fight.

Study Pacquiao's career over the last few years, he has cherry picked A LOT.

No matter what things you try to bring up most of these fighters were either overrated(good but not that good) or shot by the time Pacquiao got to fight them. And just because you overuse the word "fact" after every sentence does not make them facts. Go look up fact before you over use the word wrongfully.
This is just hating, you are looking to discredit him instead of rating it honestly.
I always laugh when people act like he cherrypicked Oscar or barrera being shot when they fought in 2003
cesare-borgia is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2011, 11:16 AM   #84
boxxxx
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 52
vCash: 500
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyro View Post
I'll give you another FACT, ODLH dropped from 162 to 145 at 35 years of age in just a matter of days. Shot, too old and dehydrated that they had to rehydrate Oscar after the fight with medical means. Just because some people thought pacman shouldn't have taken the fight does not make his "victory" over and old Oscar such a huge victory.

Diaz - and overrated fighter who isn't as good as some people like you think
Hatton - "KING"? another overrated fighter who was giving his last licks
Barrera - shot way too many wars including TWO grueling wars with Morales
Morales - shot including he had fought his trilogy with Barrera by the time he fought Pacman(and still managed to school Pac the first time)
Marquez - beat Pacquiao two times, Marquez was robbed BOTH times, a judge scored one round 10-7 instead of 10-6 for Pacman, so what? Marquez was robbed because the judges didn't score more rounds for Marquez like they should have. Pacquiao won only one round after the first at best. The fact that you cling to what the third judge scored makes you so uneducated about this fight.

Study Pacquiao's career over the last few years, he has cherry picked A LOT.

No matter what things you try to bring up most of these fighters were either overrated(good but not that good) or [COLOR="rgb(255, 140, 0)"]shot by the time[/color] Pacquiao got to fight them. And just because you overuse the word "fact" after every sentence does not make them facts. Go look up fact before you over use the word wrongfully.
young fighter = overrated
experience fighter = shot

no escaping the haters eh?
boxxxx is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2011, 11:20 AM   #85
igor_otsky
Undefeated
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: you is you is
Posts: 6,808
vCash: 75
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

for ****'s sake gyro, stop this right now. like I said before, Mosley won and pac is overrated. Nazeem already figured pac out and pac couldnt pull the trigger anymore.
igor_otsky is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2011, 12:08 PM   #86
tarugojones
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: INMATE#01363917
Posts: 2,660
vCash: 75
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Floyd v Hatton (undefeated)..........the truth is, Hatton went up one division and he only fought once at WW.

Floyd v JMM ( #4 P4P ).....the truth is, JMM went up 3 divisions, bloated and got cheated on the scales.

Floyd v Shane ( beat up Margo )....the truth is, Shane is old and was inactive for more than a year.
tarugojones is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2011, 12:21 AM   #87
Gyro
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 83
vCash: 500
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

:d
Gyro is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2011, 12:25 AM   #88
Gyro
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 83
vCash: 500
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

Quote:
Originally Posted by cesare-borgia View Post
This is just hating, you are looking to discredit him instead of rating it honestly.
I always laugh when people act like he cherrypicked Oscar or barrera being shot when they fought in 2003

Its called not eating what Arum has created. He's cherry picked virtually every fighter from Morales/Barrera and on. But pacman lovers will always hate people who see the truth I guess.

And if you didn't see Barrera get beaten up by Jones in two wars followed by a retirement and then having already gone through 2 of his 3 bloody wars with Morales before 2003, then you missed him getting shot. Not to mention his career has been reduced to 12-4 since his first two fights with Morales as opposed to his long line of work before that of 55-3. Shot.

Last edited by Gyro; 07-26-2011 at 12:42 AM.
Gyro is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2011, 12:36 AM   #89
Boxing Fanatic
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Dominican Republic
Posts: 24,111
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

g's us age crice, de la hoya was shot when pac fought him looking totally unimpressive against steve forbes! not only that he weight drained oscar to 145 pounds when oscar was a 154 pounder. oscar had intravenous marks on his arm in the ring. he was totally weight drained. his fans r pathetic sometimes and absolutely clueless
Boxing Fanatic is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2011, 12:40 AM   #90
SonOfCuba
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 902
vCash: 500
Default Re: Pacquiao is OVERRATED

is michael jordan overrated ?
SonOfCuba is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > General Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013