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Old 07-11-2011, 06:38 PM   #106
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Against who? A hit or miss, completely inconsistent Holyfield who was considered nothing more that a placeholder in the division at the time? The same guy feigning heart problems against Michael Moorer only to be miraculously cured by Benny Hinn? And then who? Who is the second best fighter Bowe ever really beat? It's probably Pierre Coetzer or Herbie Hide. I think that speaks volumes to his true pedigree.
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understand your points on bowe but he had some decent wins over former title holders but holyfield is one of the best heavyweights ever. plus bowe more than passes the eye test when matching up during that time. to say holyfield was faking heart problems is absurd and shows what little you know about the situation. he fought moorer with "heart failure," not a hurt pinky toe. it was arguably the most courageous performances ever and i thought evander won that fight. if the judge scores the round 10-8 for holyfield when he knocked down moorer, the fight is a draw and holy retains his title.
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Old 07-11-2011, 06:48 PM   #107
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understand your points on bowe but he had some decent wins over former title holders but holyfield is one of the best heavyweights ever. plus bowe more than passes the eye test when matching up during that time. to say holyfield was faking heart problems is absurd and shows what little you know about the situation. he fought moorer with "heart failure," not a hurt pinky toe. it was arguably the most courageous performances ever and i thought evander won that fight. if the judge scores the round 10-8 for holyfield when he knocked down moorer, the fight is a draw and holy retains his title.
I remember that article well. I remember the fight well. I also remember being asked to believe that Benny Hinn cured Holy of this "ailment". Excuse me if I don't buy any of it.

By the way, I also don't buy that the Mayo Clinic exams Ali passed prior to the Berbick fight were all that honest or complete.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:05 PM   #108
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I remember that article well. I remember the fight well. I also remember being asked to believe that Benny Hinn cured Holy of this "ailment". Excuse me if I don't buy any of it.

By the way, I also don't buy that the Mayo Clinic exams Ali passed prior to the Berbick fight were all that honest or complete.
agreed, the hinn stuff was a crock. evander being a spiritual guy probably needed that for his psyche. let the doctors do the real work and receive no credit.

ali had trouble with the mayo exams before the holmes fight. not sure if you've seen the 30 for 30 documentary on ali-holmes but it's talked about.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:08 PM   #109
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Rocco Marciano, overdose high off his trolley on Angel Dust!! 184lbs of pure pcp psycho, he KO's every heavy not called Foreman, Lenny or Ali.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:31 PM   #110
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agreed, the hinn stuff was a crock. evander being a spiritual guy probably needed that for his psyche. let the doctors do the real work and receive no credit.

ali had trouble with the mayo exams before the holmes fight. not sure if you've seen the 30 for 30 documentary on ali-holmes but it's talked about.
Haven't seen that but definitey will search for it. My point is, I believe very little from the doctors who are paid by boxers, promoters or commissions. Call me jaded.

To the larger question, the Bowe of the Holy trilogy was exciting and sound but he was not durable and paid the price in the near term.
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:21 PM   #111
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Bowe was merely following the script that got him the part in the first place. He fought as perfect a fight as could be fought given his limitations outside.

For starters, while possessing a decent jab, Bowe never would have kept Holyfield at bay with just the stick. Holyfield's proved much too good at closing the distance for so simple a strategy to succeed. Holyfield's greater experience necessitated Bowe to play to his advantages, and he claims one, clear advantage over him, that is, his greater bulk inside. Actually, Bowe's left hooks and clubbing rights invite inside fighting; his punching mechanics have always favored short range engagements.

This fact is demonstrated repeatedly in fights before and after his title-winning effort.

Take the Tubbs fights. He certainly cannot be accused of fighting stupidly in that encounter. Afterall, he did push the pace against an older fighter. And by one type of reckoning, it could be argued that Bowe outpointed the aged veteran. But perhaps the most astute determination that can be gleaned is Bowe's inability to land effective, single shots during long distance exchanges. You would think his dimensions lend to efficacy at long distances, but it just doesn't.
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Old 07-12-2011, 08:27 AM   #112
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Well classic's still classic, that's for sure

I'm not sure i'd favour anyone at these weights over Bowe at his short best.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:51 AM   #113
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No 190 or less fighter could beat Bowe, Lewis, Foreman, Tyson or any other great or kind of great modern size heavyweight boxer. If you think any differently then you are a idiot and should stop watching boxing.
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Old 07-19-2011, 06:18 PM   #114
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This is the only realistic shout, I think (although I'd still make Bowe favourite).
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Old 07-19-2011, 06:30 PM   #115
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None. Bowe's performance against a prime 205lbs Evander Holyfield says to me he beats any sub-190lbs fighter ever. JMO.
Agreed....... Greats like '50 Charles or '53 Marciano are NOT gonna beat 1992 Bowe who was fit and primed at 235 pounds........

Bowe was a beast in 1991 to late 1993.......

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