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Old 07-19-2011, 08:36 AM   #31
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Pre-Steward Wlad is going to be walking into a ton of punishment, recall the shit storm that Brewster had to endure to pressure and breakdown early Steward Wlad. And this is the guy who got sparked by McCall. Say what you will about Brewster, the man could take a hit like few could. And when you catch Steward Wlad, you get squeezed by the Octopus until he's ready to let go and reset. I think Wlad now deserves more respect than a Frank Bruno, who fell into the ropes, arms down and eyes wide with terror when he got tagged good.
Wlad still panics, even Steward questions his confidence. His 1 tactic while being attacked is to hold on that isn't going to hold up against the likes of Lewis, Lewis would be the best

Bruno could have done with Steward in his corner, alhtough I htink ultimately Steward to be overrated, he's done a good job with Wlad but he isn't teaching him anything that sophisticated

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God, this might be your greatest gem.

Lewis was a brawler who was so lazy he ended up being a boxer?

Its simplistic but Lewis was very aggressive, he prefered to go for the KO than to box, but he did box when he was cautious or when he was being lazy and he almost seemed to switch off. But in plenty of his fights he was happy to walk through punches to land his own
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:47 AM   #32
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Its simplistic but Lewis was very aggressive, he prefered to go for the KO than to box, but he did box when he was cautious or when he was being lazy and he almost seemed to switch off. But in plenty of his fights he was happy to walk through punches to land his own[/quote]
I read once that if Lewis wasn't under pressure he would be contmept with Boxing, Holyfield 1 and the Tua fight are good examples of this as both men showed a limited offence.

I can't remember a fight where if the opponent came out and attacked Lewis didn't meet them in the middle.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:52 AM   #33
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Wlad still panics

Steward to be overrated, he's done a good job with Wlad but he isn't teaching him anything that sophisticated

Its simplistic but Lewis was very aggressive
-He looked very poised to me after Haye hurt him in the 12th round and Haye did hurt him with that right. He held to shake the cobwebs as most every great did including Lewis and than wisely put the pressure back on David with one of his more aggressive offensive bursts of the fight.

-That's kind of the point, Steward isn't there to teach them complex techniques. Quite the opposite.

-Not really, and while that paragraph was much better written your way off base on Lewis I believe. Lazy fighters don't shut out their opponent with their boxing technique...seroiusly, PP are you trying to put one over on me?
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I can't remember a fight where if the opponent came out and attacked Lewis didn't meet them in the middle.
That must be some good shit, your smoking. I recall an exhausted Holyfield laying on the ropes, dropping his gloves, and desperately begging Lennox to mix it up several times.

"Why didn't you try to knock him out, Lewis?"

"He was hurt, a man is his most dangerouse when he is hurt, definetly."
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That must be some good shit, your smoking. I recall Holyfield laying on the ropes, dropping his gloves, and desperately begging Lennox to mix it up several times.

"Why didn't you try to knock him out, Lewis?"

"He was hurt, a man is his most dangerouse when he is hurt, definetly."
In the 1st Holyfield fight yes but again Holyfield showed a very limited offence in that fight, think of fights where Lewis was put under pressure and most ended in a KO victory or at least showed a more agressive Lewis.
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In the 1st Holyfield fight yes but again Holyfield showed a very limited offence in that fight, think of fights where Lewis was put under pressure and most ended in a KO victory or at least showed a more agressive Lewis.
-You think Holyfield showed limited offense by choice or because he was completely shut out by Lewis' jab and inside smothering?



-Nah, I've seen Lewis opt to box under pressure too many times to agree with that conclusion. Lewis mixed it up against Mercer but that was because he was forced to. Now Lewis has turned pressure fighter when the situation calls for it..Vitali, Akinwande, and Grant comes to mind. Matches where it looked like he could be outboxed from a distance or was at a reach disadvantage.
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Wlad showed huge improvement in his ability to clinch and fight hurt when Haye tagged him with that devastating right hand in round 12.
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Wlad still panics, even Steward questions his confidence. His 1 tactic while being attacked is to hold on that isn't going to hold up against the likes of Lewis, Lewis would be the best
He didn't panic in Haye fight. So? Steward doesn't question his confidence he questions his mind set. He says that Wlad is superior athlete and he is in mindset more athlete than a fighter. He want's his fights to be Perfect runs ALL THE TIME.
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-He looked very poised to me after Haye hurt him in the 12th round and Haye did hurt him with that right. He held to shake the cobwebs as most every great did including Lewis and than wisely put the pressure back on David with one of his more aggressive offensive bursts of the fight.

-That's kind of the point, Steward isn't there to teach them complex techniques. Quite the opposite.

-Not really, and while that paragraph was much better written your way off base on Lewis I believe. Lazy fighters don't shut out their opponent with their boxing technique...seroiusly, PP are you trying to put one over on me?
I thought he looked visably uncomfortable, not just hurt but uncomfortable and not just in the 12th, he resorted to holding and leaning on his opponent (rule infraction). In effect he's accepting he can't compete inside/mid range. Which is a shame as his left hook is truly great and he never uses it anymore

In some of Lennox's pre title fights (pre Rudduck) he very much switched off toying with his opponent rather than apply pressure and command the ring, Lewis has a bad habit of thinking opposition is below him and doing this, that's part of the reason for his losses
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-I thought he looked visably uncomfortable, not just hurt but uncomfortable and not just in the 12th,

- he resorted to holding and leaning on his opponent (rule infraction

-Which is a shame as his left hook is truly great and he never uses it anymore

-In some of Lennox's pre title fights (pre Rudduck) he very much switched off toying with his opponent rather than apply pressure and command the ring, Lewis has a bad habit of thinking opposition is below him and doing this, that's part of the reason for his losses
-He looked calm to everyone else, about as calm as a guy can look after getting buzzed by a flush right they didn't see coming. We've seen Wlad panic(Peter I and Sanders fight), we know what to look for. It just isn't there this time or has been for a while.

-Wlad did very little holding against Haye. As for the rule infraction crap, Wlad appeared to only nudge the lunging Haye down once or twice, the rest were glaring flops to buy points and save his ass when he was in position to be hit by one of them left hooks....

-Sorry, this Lennox stuff is all over the place. You originally commented he was a brawler who was so lazy he boxed, and now you are going back to pre-Ruddock generalizations to try to justify this weird statement.
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I thought he looked visably uncomfortable, not just hurt but uncomfortable and not just in the 12th, he resorted to holding and leaning on his opponent (rule infraction). In effect he's accepting he can't compete inside/mid range. Which is a shame as his left hook is truly great and he never uses it anymore

In some of Lennox's pre title fights (pre Rudduck) he very much switched off toying with his opponent rather than apply pressure and command the ring, Lewis has a bad habit of thinking opposition is below him and doing this, that's part of the reason for his losses
I agree Wlad looked uncomfortable. Perhaps his father who was on his death bead combined with the pressure not to lose ( Critics were ready to pounce if he lost ) prevented Wlad from being focused and relaxed in the ring.

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