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Old 07-22-2011, 02:08 AM   #1
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Antonio Tarver warns Danny Green a rematch would be a dangerous option




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ANTONIO Tarver has warned Danny Green against taking up the rematch clause in their contract.

"Because when I fight someone, they're never the same afterwards," Tarver said before flying out of Sydney with the IBO world cruiserweight belt yesterday.
"I'm the champion now and I'd like to give Danny some time to recuperate. Then if he wants to, yeah, we can go again," he said.

"He's certainly worthy of a rematch and if he wants to fight in America I know it would definitely sell. But sometimes you gotta say the best man won and call it a day."

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"I'm the big name in this division now," he said. "Two hundred pounds, this is my class. It's a happening division and I want all the championship belts."

Seemingly unmarked after his nine rounds with Green, Tarver questioned why referee Howard Foster had not stopped the fight earlier.

And while much of the spotlight was consumed by his trainers Jimmy Williams and Buddy McGirt, the American also credited the mother of an NFL linebacker for his shock world title win. Angela Mitchell, whose son Carlton plays for the Cleveland Browns, worked as the cut woman in Tarver's corner.

More importantly, however, the qualified doctor also provided the future Hall of Famer with a secret elixir as he battled a bout of the flu on fight eve. "Angela gave me the medicine and got me right," he said.



Danny Green says he can't remember finale to fight with Antonio Tarver


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DANNY Green cannot remember the moment his world title disappeared. "No, nuthin'," the Aussie fighter deadpanned yesterday, a large welt around his right eye.

"Did I argue when the towel was thrown? Did I wanna fight on? Who knows ... "
Sitting in a small coffee shop at Star City Casino, a visibly gutted Green offered no excuses for his shock loss to American great Antonio Tarver - conceding he was "whipped" by a man destined for the Boxing Hall of Fame.

Despite going into the fight with two broken ribs - suffered during a sparring session - Green said the injury and his burst appendix scare back in January had "absolutely no impact" on the shock stoppage after nine rounds.

The West Australian was also unsure about retirement, rematches or what hit he may have taken financially after the event attracted roughly 7000 fans and 30,000 pay-per-views.


"The only thing I know for sure is that Tarver now has five world titles," Green shrugged. "But that's boxing.

"Last time I fought here in Sydney, I whipped Roy Jones Jnr. This time around, Tarver whipped me.

"But what can I do? He did everything right and I had a shocker. Over the years I've beaten up on plenty of blokes ... this time it was me who copped the beating."

Despite going into Wednesday night's fight a raging $1.30 favourite, Green appeared to win only one round - the seventh - before his corner threw in the towel.

So concerned was brother Brendan afterwards, he drove the cruiserweight to hospital for precautionary tests before he'd had a chance to shower."But it's my pride that's taken the biggest beating," Green continued. "I'm gutted. I just feel like I've let so many people down.

"When I came down into the casino foyer this morning around 2am, trying to find mum and dad, I bumped into this bloke in a suit.

"He'd been to the fight, had a few beers and when he saw me, mate, he started crying. I felt terrible. Not being able to deliver for a bloke like that, it hurts.
"That's why standing in the ring afterwards I had tears in my eyes too."

Asked what he recalled about the punches that finished him, Green continued: "I remember being against the ropes and Tarver teeing off.

"I remember the bell going to signal the end of the round and telling myself 'f..., c'mon'. Then 'H' (trainer Angelo Hyder) came into the ring and put an arm around me. But after that ... dunno."

Despite providing arguably the best card in Australian boxing for years - and once again displaying the courage which has won him a legion of fans - early estimates suggest Green would've struggled to break even after outlaying $1.3 million to bring Tarver Down Under.

"But right now money is the least of my concerns," the father-of-two said. "Yes, I paid out a lot of money because the bloke deserved it. Some people overlook that.

"To ensure this fight took place, I basically put my house on the line. It meant so much to me and that's why I'm gutted."

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AS ANYBODY in boxing knows, if a trainer tells you it's sunny and bright outside, the first thing you do is grab a raincoat.
Nobody wants to go home wet.

By the time Antonio Tarver arrived a fortnight ago many of us fans of the cauliflower brigade were already debating whether he was too old and too inactive to be any threat against the raw menace of Danny Green. Tarver was 42 and had fought just once last year, just once the year before and just twice the year before that.

Then the gym hounds began reporting back that Tarver was struggling to get beyond three rounds in sparring. That he was fighting for breath, that he looked slow and cumbersome.

The fear was that this could be another catastrophe in Australian boxing, which have come along far too frequently of late.

I got no better read last Thursday when, for nearly two hours, I sat with Tarver's trainer Buddy McGirt, talking a little about Tarver, a little about the old New York gyms and the old New York trainers, like Ray Arcel and, only a little more recently, Eddie Futch and George Benton.

If you don't know who they are then you will get no help here. This is not a column for those who think boxing began with Tyson and has only elevated through the appearance of Floyd "Money" Mayweather.

"That's what boxing is missing," McGirt said, "teachers."

Before finishing with McGirt I organised to get a photograph of him at training that night, and he joked he had "a wig upstairs".

Yet when the photographer turned up McGirt, with a straight face, knew nothing. The photographer was not allowed in, later threatened, and eventually left them to train in private.

Yet something piqued.

Joe Louis' old trainer Jack Blackburn used to have Joe punching away on a heavy bag as the press watched on, smoking as the Bomber went through the motions.

Then, as the typewriter brigade went off to their deadlines, what they didn't know was he would take Louis down to the basement, put on the gloves himself, and the real work began.

More recently, Floyd Mayweather has nearly conned an entire sport with his pitter-patter pad combinations, which come up big on HBO's 24/7 but are teaching a generation of fighters bad habits.

"That's for the cameras," McGirt said. "Trust me, when the cameras aren't there, they work properly."

When the cameras aren't there ...

McGirt told me Tarver looked terrific in training, but then would he say any different? He said he would knock Green out, but what else could he say? And as those old New York trainers used to say, everyone has a plan until they get hit.

In this case, it was Green who got hit.

Tarver landed that long straight left in the first round and, after being bullied around to then, the whole fight changed. Green became cautious, Tarver started to land and, as Tarver's legs refused to grow old, the great double-con emerged.

"I said when I arrived here," McGirt said after the fight, "he hasn't looked this good since the third Roy Jones fight."

He just didn't say it to us.

"After the first day here I knew," he said. "I said it's a wrap.

"I knew before going in Antonio was going to stop him. It's two different class of fighters."

McGirt was telling us the truth all along. He just didn't want us to see it.

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Old 07-22-2011, 02:53 AM   #2
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Hopefully he chooses not to take the rematch. Someone within his camp needs to get in his ear and talk him around. There could be serious reprecussions to his long term health taking another beating like that.
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Old 07-22-2011, 02:58 AM   #3
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I hope he listens to his brother and stops listening to Angelo m8. I think Brendan has Dannys best intrests at heart, whilst Angelo $$$ does not.
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This is another thing that is wrong with boxing today. Pointless money grabbing rematches when one bloke has received the mother of all arse kickings in the first fight.
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Old 07-22-2011, 03:14 AM   #5
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i wonder if he would have been better of brawling with Tarver.. just stuck his head on his chest and try to out-muscle him much like Fatton did to Tszu. surely a better game plan than try and counter of the back foot
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Old 07-22-2011, 03:21 AM   #6
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early estimates suggest Green would've struggled to break even after outlaying $1.3 million to bring Tarver Down Under.
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In a time where where the CREAM mentality makes or breaks pretty much every fight. if that part of the story is true.... good on Danny for puttin the money issues aside to make the fight despite taking on the risk of loosing money and in hindsight his championship.
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Old 07-22-2011, 03:22 AM   #7
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i wonder if he would have been better of brawling with Tarver.. just stuck his head on his chest and try to out-muscle him much like Fatton did to Tszu. surely a better game plan than try and counter of the back foot
I think that was his plan but after tarver dropped him every time he came in he shat hiself and sat back and got a hiding, no plan B
Also i noticed he's started with the excuses "2 broken ribs"
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i wonder if he would have been better of brawling with Tarver.. just stuck his head on his chest and try to out-muscle him much like Fatton did to Tszu. surely a better game plan than try and counter of the back foot
Green caught Tarver with the best punch of his career in the 7th and Tarver didn't budge, if Green came in fighting more aggressively he could have more success or he could get countered by something heavy and be out sooner. Tarver is a pure counter puncher so I think he'd like Green coming forward more. Hopkins pressured Tarver and beat him but Hopkins is always slick and defensive even when he's coming forward.
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I think Green maybe got caught up with all the talk about him being a big puncher & obviously the RJJ result. He thought he could go out there n out muscle a 42 yr has been. That 1st punch that rocked him backwards in the 1st rd , then the knock down in the 2nd told Green he was in over his head on this one. And Tarver showed that. No interest in a rematch, Tarver beats him down again.
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2 broken ribs. Now we're cookin with gas!
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I hope he listens to his brother and stops listening to Angelo m8. I think Brendan has Dannys best intrests at heart, whilst Angelo $$$ does not.
I have to disagree ... if you watch the fight as soon as Hyder walks into the ring at the end of the 9th he shakes his head and said "its over" ... he wasn't letting him go back out. Obviously his brother wouldn't have let him but Hyder said it first.

I've never been a big Green fan but I've got a lot more respect for him the way he lost that fight to be honest. At least he's trying to bring "names" out here.
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Green will get slaughtered again.
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Hyder just said the obvise m8, he knew Danny was out on his feet and never threw the towl in? think about that for one second m8, wouldnt you throw the towl in if you knew your fighter was out on his feet? . I know if my fighter was out on his feet id throw the towl in, its only a sport, there is life after this sport and saftey should always come 1st. The guy was in la la land m8, delrium & Queer street all at once.

You can bet that if Danny didnt grab Tarver like he did, Hyder would have tried to hush it all up, slap him around a few times again and send him out for the 10th Round. You can bet your house on that m8.
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I read in that article that Brendan took Danny to the hospital after the fight because he was concerned about his welfare.
Did Angelo Hyder go with them?
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I read in that article that Brendan took Danny to the hospital after the fight because he was concerned about his welfare.
Did Angelo Hyder go with them?
Yeah he took a box of painaway with him trying to sell it to the doctors.
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