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Old 07-28-2011, 07:51 PM   #1
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Default Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

Okay, Wlad has a better jab and straight right (which means that he is more effective against boxer-movers than Vitali is)..
But Vitali's D is far better, he is a superior counter puncher, his punches is much harder to avoid, he keeps working and fights out instead of clinching.. To me he just seems like a much more natural fighter, with a better understanding of the sweet science..
IMO this "Wlad is a better boxer" seems like an ESB myth..
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:59 PM   #2
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

I reckon alot of people under-rate Vit's skillset a bit. Plus the guy looks like a total goof in the ring whereas his younger brother is built like a atypical athlete and moves very well.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:01 PM   #3
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

People confuse being more orthadox with being more skilled.
Vitali is better at everything than Wlad, with the exceptions of power and handspeed.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:05 PM   #4
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

Much better HW resume, although the Arreola and Peter wins were pretty good for Vitali.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:36 PM   #5
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

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Okay, Wlad has a better jab and straight right (which means that he is more effective against boxer-movers than Vitali is)..
But Vitali's D is far better, he is a superior counter puncher, his punches is much harder to avoid, he keeps working and fights out instead of clinching.. To me he just seems like a much more natural fighter, with a better understanding of the sweet science..
IMO this "Wlad is a better boxer" seems like an ESB myth..

its sad because thats all the bros have and yet it is enough to dominate this current crop of crap!
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:37 PM   #6
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Because he very clearly is.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:50 PM   #7
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

Vitali wins a greater percentage of rounds. He just looks sloppy.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:55 PM   #8
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

Vitali has a awkward style, along with his footwork it can make him look clumsy at times, wlad fights well but very carefull. There is no question who the better fighter is though.
I think being awkward is good in boxing when you are good at it, vitali is extremely difficult to beat no matter how he might look at times.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:58 PM   #9
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

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Okay, Wlad has a better jab and straight right (which means that he is more effective against boxer-movers than Vitali is)..
But Vitali's D is far better, he is a superior counter puncher, his punches is much harder to avoid, he keeps working and fights out instead of clinching.. To me he just seems like a much more natural fighter, with a better understanding of the sweet science..
IMO this "Wlad is a better boxer" seems like an ESB myth..
All his fundamentals are better.

He throws every punch better, in terms of pure technique. Granted, he only really uses the one and the two more often than not - but watch the times he does throw a hook or an uppercut. It's textbook perfection. When Vitali repeats the same actions, it isn't.

His footwork is actually better, since joining up with Steward. People think Vitali's is better because he's able to maintain his balance while stepping in more chaotic and herky-jerky patterns, but he's often just hanging on to that balance by a thread. It works for him, great - but he doesn't have better footwork than Wlad (who hasn't had even a momentary lapse of remote balance issues in several years).

Vitali is much more awkward, and his fans like to point to that making him being a better overall fighter (along with being tougher and "more of a natural fighter", which...whatever. We won't even get into that nonsense right now). His style in and of itself isn't better or worse than Wlad's - it's just different.

Each has strengths and weaknesses, when directly contrasted and compared.

Vitali has the greater endurance (insofar as being able to "go go go" without slowing), the better chin, and may be a bit quicker on his toes.

Wladimir hits harder, is the better fundamental boxer, has the faster power punches (speaking of true, feet-set power punches and not just flurries thrown while moving) and actually places his feet better than Vitali even though they're slower.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:02 PM   #10
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Okay, Wlad has a better jab and straight right (which means that he is more effective against boxer-movers than Vitali is)..
But Vitali's D is far better, he is a superior counter puncher, his punches is much harder to avoid, he keeps working and fights out instead of clinching.. To me he just seems like a much more natural fighter, with a better understanding of the sweet science..
IMO this "Wlad is a better boxer" seems like an ESB myth..
It is an ESB myth. I don't think Vitali has ever been outboxed. When he has lost it's because he quit. I've seen Wlad get outboxed and just plain knocked out.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:03 PM   #11
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All his fundamentals are better.

He throws every punch better, in terms of pure technique. Granted, he only really uses the one and the two more often than not - but watch the times he does throw a hook or an uppercut. It's textbook perfection. When Vitali repeats the same actions, it isn't.

His footwork is actually better, since joining up with Steward. People think Vitali's is better because he's able to maintain his balance while stepping in more chaotic and herky-jerky patterns, but he's often just hanging on to that balance by a thread. It works for him, great - but he doesn't have better footwork than Wlad (who hasn't had even a momentary lapse of remote balance issues in several years).

Vitali is much more awkward, and his fans like to point to that making him being a better overall fighter (along with being tougher and "more of a natural fighter", which...whatever. We won't even get into that nonsense right now). His style in and of itself isn't better or worse than Wlad's - it's just different.

Each has strengths and weaknesses, when directly contrasted and compared.

Vitali has the greater endurance (insofar as being able to "go go go" without slowing), the better chin, and may be a bit quicker on his toes.

Wladimir hits harder, is the better fundamental boxer, has the faster power punches (speaking of true, feet-set power punches and not just flurries thrown while moving) and actually places his feet better than Vitali even though they're slower.

But he doesn't have natural reflexes, power, chin, or creativity. Wlad is a robot who only got this far because of what Emmanual taught him.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:06 PM   #12
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

Proof, Vitali can throw a check hook, and Wlad can't.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:06 PM   #13
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They are different styles and different trainers

Wlad is a jabber and has more power and is more patient

Vitali is a volume puncher throws more throws with more varitey does hit the body hands low leans

not sure whose better
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:08 PM   #14
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

I always thought it was the opposite. Vitali a better boxer with better defense and Vlad the better puncher with worse chin.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:08 PM   #15
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its sad cause Wlad could have way more offense ant totally should have beat guys like Rahman Chagaev Thompson and Peter in the second fight and Chambers in half the time it actually took him

Steward said pre Brewster one that the left hook is his best and favorite punch in his arsenal but why does he neglect it

I loved his finish in Peter 2 swing both hands wide like a hook uppercut reminded me of Foreman he should do this more often
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