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Old 07-29-2011, 01:34 AM   #31
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Default Re: Why do people consider Wlad a better boxer than Vitali?

Haye wanted no part of Vitali, Vitali still wants to knock Haye out as soon as he knocks Adamek out.............
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:06 AM   #32
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I agree that Wlad has better fundamentals..
But that is only the basic dimension.. Vitali is a better pressure fighter and counter puncher.. And he is better under pressure, Steward has taught Wlad how to stay away from danger and how to escape it, if it catches him.. Vitali knows how to "fight" his way out of the heat, where Wlad just holds on..
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:18 AM   #33
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because wlad has dominated heavyweight boxing since 2006 and beaten everyone he's fought since 2004.

wlad will be remembered as a great heavyweight.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:39 AM   #34
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Wlad fights tall, Vitali fights big.

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See the difference? He has the handspeed of Carl Froch. He has the footwork of Bernard Hopkins, and the chin of James Toney. He also does some really subtle feints which would be really difficult to deal with.

Vitali looked like he wanted to beat the shit out of Solis after Solis was limping. It was the sort of look like "wtf? I wanted to knock your punk ass out!". The sort of disdain which cannot be faked and which only true fighters have.

Damn thats the first time i watched that. Vitali was screwing it ended so soon. You are so right, he wanted to beat his ass. Wlad went over to hug and congrat Vitali but he was like get off me, i ain't finished yet! Wlad went over the other corner and sheepishly said something, probably in response to Vitali's reaction....
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:44 AM   #35
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Plus the guy looks like a total goof in the ring
Lol I've always thought this. It's wierd. knock-kneed...feet dragging..
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:50 AM   #36
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Wlad is considered a better boxer than Vitali because his skillset is fundamentally sound. Technique is refined.

Vitali is the better fighter, using an unorthodox fighting style which boxer types do not have. But because he does this, you can't really call him the better boxer. He doesn't box, he fights. Calling Vitali a good boxer is like saying Naseem Hamed was a great boxer.
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:40 AM   #37
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because wlad has dominated heavyweight boxing since 2006 and beaten everyone he's fought since 2004.

wlad will be remembered as a great heavyweight.


After Wlad will win the WBC title he wil retired as the only undisputed Heavyweight who holds alle the titles at the same time!
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:43 AM   #38
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Wlad is considered a better boxer than Vitali because his skillset is fundamentally sound. Technique is refined.

Vitali is the better fighter, using an unorthodox fighting style which boxer types do not have. But because he does this, you can't really call him the better boxer. He doesn't box, he fights. Calling Vitali a good boxer is like saying Naseem Hamed was a great boxer.
But the things Vitali does (Leaning back, counter punching, throwing shots from wierd angles..)
It is what most boxing fans would call multi dimensionel..
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:48 AM   #39
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Okay, Wlad has a better jab and straight right (which means that he is more effective against boxer-movers than Vitali is)..
But Vitali's D is far better, he is a superior counter puncher, his punches is much harder to avoid, he keeps working and fights out instead of clinching.. To me he just seems like a much more natural fighter, with a better understanding of the sweet science..
IMO this "Wlad is a better boxer" seems like an ESB myth..
It seems like a lot of people are making their decisions based on chins. That has nothing to do with who the better fighter is. If it does then ask yourselves a simple question: who's the better fighter, James Toney or Roy Jones? Both great fighters, but Toney definitely has the better chin. I'd say the majority of us would say Jones is the better fighter, though. Sure Wlad got kayoed early in his career and then taken out by Sanders, but Brewster beat him because he just had nothing left in the tank. Sanders just had a bazooka for a straight left that would have leveled just about every heavy who got hit with it. Klitschko's problem at that time was his defense, not his chin. And what has Klitschko done since his last loss? Improved. His defense is better, his pace more measured- you can see him in there thinking instead of simply trying to blast away opponents (which would probably work with 99% of them). He could have pulled the trigger on Calvin Brock 1-2 rounds earlier than he did, he could have taken out Austin in a single round, he could have put Chris Byrd away sooner considering Byrd played right into his fight. It wasn't lack of ability that made these kayoes come later, Klitschko was playing chess master and once all the pieces were in the right order he moved in for a checkmate.

"Wlad has perfect textbook technique. Stance, movement, punches, etc..

Vitali is the tougher guy, but not "skilled" like Wlad.

Good example:

When Wlad gets hit his reaction is to stop the other guys momentum, recover and then take control of the action.

When Vitali gets hit, his reaction is to exchange.

Wlad is an architect. Vitali is a wrecking ball"
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:48 AM   #40
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But the things Vitali does (Leaning back, counter punching, throwing shots from wierd angles..)
It is what most boxing fans would call multi dimensionel..
Multidimensional doesn't mean you're a better boxer. In Vitali's case, it just makes him the better fighter.
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:56 AM   #41
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Wlad is better fundamentally, but imho when i watch vitali fight he just has so much more variety in his work and utilises so much more of the sweet science. He's a smarter fighter
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:05 AM   #42
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It seems like a lot of people are making their decisions based on chins. That has nothing to do with who the better fighter is. If it does then ask yourselves a simple question: who's the better fighter, James Toney or Roy Jones? Both great fighters, but Toney definitely has the better chin. I'd say the majority of us would say Jones is the better fighter, though. Sure Wlad got kayoed early in his career and then taken out by Sanders, but Brewster beat him because he just had nothing left in the tank. Sanders just had a bazooka for a straight left that would have leveled just about every heavy who got hit with it. Klitschko's problem at that time was his defense, not his chin. And what has Klitschko done since his last loss? Improved. His defense is better, his pace more measured- you can see him in there thinking instead of simply trying to blast away opponents (which would probably work with 99% of them). He could have pulled the trigger on Calvin Brock 1-2 rounds earlier than he did, he could have taken out Austin in a single round, he could have put Chris Byrd away sooner considering Byrd played right into his fight. It wasn't lack of ability that made these kayoes come later, Klitschko was playing chess master and once all the pieces were in the right order he moved in for a checkmate.

"Wlad has perfect textbook technique. Stance, movement, punches, etc..

Vitali is the tougher guy, but not "skilled" like Wlad.

Good example:

When Wlad gets hit his reaction is to stop the other guys momentum, recover and then take control of the action.

When Vitali gets hit, his reaction is to exchange.

Wlad is an architect. Vitali is a wrecking ball"
Everyone agrees that Vitali is tougher and meaner..
But people just seems to believe that Wlad's fundamentals and basic 1-2 makes him a better boxer than Vitali..
As i said, that is only one dimension.. Vitali brings so much more to the table (without even talking about his tougness and stronger mentality), Vitali would be much harder to prepare for...
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:21 AM   #43
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People confuse being more orthadox with being more skilled.
Vitali is better at everything than Wlad, with the exceptions of power and handspeed.
This.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:22 AM   #44
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Everyone agrees that Vitali is tougher and meaner..
But people just seems to believe that Wlad's fundamentals and basic 1-2 makes him a better boxer than Vitali..
As i said, that is only one dimension.. Vitali brings so much more to the table (without even talking about his tougness and stronger mentality), Vitali would be much harder to prepare for...
Much much harder. He has many styles, while with Wlad you pretty much know what he will do.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:26 AM   #45
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Much much harder. He has many styles, while with Wlad you pretty much know what he will do.

No, he has one. It's just an unusual one.
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