The "Whine About Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

[Money7]

Originally Posted by KnuckleUp99

Get real kid.....you know PAC's early losses came at a time when he was very raw. Nard lost his pro debut...yet almost 20 yrs later he's a P4P top fighter. Go figure.....it's not about how you start...it's all about how you finish. Or at least what you do during your prime or during the twilight of your career. Plus ALL the greats have lost...and some of the greats lost to guys that were considered "nobodies". Typically that came at the begining or towards the end of their careers.

what i said completely goes with why i voted that mayweather is MORE versatile than pac... it is his versatility that has HELPED him not lose to any fighter so far...he's able to adjust to everything that is thrown his way...when he gets hurt/stunned, he adjusts so that it doesn't happen again.... i think some people need to look up that word and see the real definition instead of having their fandom for their fighter cloud their logic. Does this mean that pac isn't a good fighter? no.... but does it mean that mayweather is more versatile? yes.

[Blizz42]

Originally Posted by Bazooka

The rematch in the morales fight showed that, Manny didnt exactly have the same results with Marquez back then because Manny back then isnt where he is now...
Floyd has remained in the same position meaning he will never go out there and fight it out he doesnt beleive in himself enough to do so...

Where was the versatility in Morales l, and JMM fights, damn? Simple fucken question. Stop giving us your weasel opinion

[Blizz42]

Originally Posted by Bazooka

Again your either fucking retarded or your Leonard Ellebre hoping Floyd reads this so he will let you suck his cock.
DLH had a huge following still does to this day, it wasnt Mayweather giving DLH his biggest Payday, it was DLH giving Floyd his biggest payday....

Sooooooooooooo Dlh brought 2.4 mil fans to see him beat unknown Floyd. Feel better??? Ok now what?????? lmao.

[bballchump11]

Originally Posted by Bazooka

Again your either fucking retarded or your Leonard Ellebre hoping Floyd reads this so he will let you suck his cock.
DLH had a huge following still does to this day, it wasnt Mayweather giving DLH his biggest Payday, it was DLH giving Floyd his biggest payday....

Why you talking like a butt hurt bitch. I didn't come attacking you and we're usually on the same page, but you're acting like a douche bag.
Yes Oscar has a big fan base obviously, but Oscar can't get 2.4 million ppv buys with anybody other than Floyd and that includes Pacquiao too.
Yes gatti has a nice fan base. So does Hatton and Marquez, but they still got their record paydays against Floyd.

[Blizz42]

Originally Posted by Money7

what i said completely goes with why i voted that mayweather is MORE versatile than pac... it is his versatility that has HELPED him not lose to any fighter so far...he's able to adjust to everything that is thrown his way...when he gets hurt/stunned, he adjusts so that it doesn't happen again.... i think some people need to look up that word and see the real definition instead of having their fandom for their fighter cloud their logic. Does this mean that pac isn't a good fighter? no.... but does it mean that mayweather is more versatile? yes.

Perfect answer.

[Bazooka]

Originally Posted by Blizz42

Sooooooooooooo Dlh brought 2.4 mil fans to see him beat unknown Floyd. Feel better??? Ok now what?????? lmao.

DLH brought the majority of them and that is a fact.... when Floyd fought Baldimor how many PPVs did it sell? okay and that was all on Floyd... When he fought Oscar look at the difference in numbers....

[DEFoverOFE99%]

Bazooka asked when has Floyd ever made it a highpaced brawl with intention of taking his man out?
MY ANSWER TO SAID ? IS GATTI, CORALAS, CORLEY, Mitchell, N'dou, Manfredy, Girard, Jesus Chavez, Felipe Garcia, Juuko, Melo AND Augustus (TO A LESSER EXTENT) THATS A DOZEN EXAMPLES OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD

[Bazooka]

Originally Posted by DEFoverOFE99%

Bazooka asked when has Floyd ever made it a highpaced brawl with intention of taking his man out?
MY ANSWER TO SAID ? IS GATTI, CORALAS, CORLEY, Mitchell, N'dou, Manfredy, Girard, Jesus Chavez, Felipe Garcia, Juuko, Melo AND Augustus (TO A LESSER EXTENT) THATS A DOZEN EXAMPLES OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD

That was all boxing the man was in reverse.... try again.

[Brickhaus]

Originally Posted by Blizz42

Because we are not talking about the last few fights of both guys like some are saying. Were talking versatility throughout their entire careers.

How relevant is what they did earlier in their careers? Sure, Floyd would occasionally brawl early on, and Pacquiao was a one-handed puncher. What's important, IMO, is who's more versatile in the ring right now. Floyd is a great fighter, has better instincts than Manny and his actual style is better able to handle different kinds of fighters, but Manny is able to change his in-ring style better.

I guess there's ambiguity in what people mean by "versatilty". If you mean can he beat more different kinds of guys, then Floyd is more versatile without a doubt. But if you mean can he fight in the ring different than he always does, then I really think it's Manny. Both could be considered measures of versatility I guess.

[Blizz42]

Originally Posted by Bazooka

DLH brought the majority of them and that is a fact.... when Floyd fought Baldimor how many PPVs did it sell? okay and that was all on Floyd... When he fought Oscar look at the difference in numbers....

DLH with the help of Tito sold how many ppvs??? Dlh with the help of Floyd sold how many???

[sdsfinest22]

Originally Posted by Bazooka

That was all boxing the man was in reverse.... try again.

Why brawl when you don't have to?



Also...He beat on a few opponents by just boxing..sometimes u can do it by just boxing and not brawling at all man..some fights are just crowd pleasers with good, crisp, punches.

See the Gatti fight and the Ndou fight..

[Blizz42]

Originally Posted by Brickhaus

How relevant is what they did earlier in their careers? Sure, Floyd would occasionally brawl early on, and Pacquiao was a one-handed puncher. What's important, IMO, is who's more versatile in the ring right now. Floyd is a great fighter, has better instincts than Manny and his actual style is better able to handle different kinds of fighters, but Manny is able to change his in-ring style better.

I guess there's ambiguity in what people mean by "versatilty". If you mean can he beat more different kinds of guys, then Floyd is more versatile without a doubt. But if you mean can he fight in the ring different than he always does, then I really think it's Manny. Both could be considered measures of versatility I guess.

Like you, we've seen both guys fight at their best. Versatility in a fight most of the time happens when a fighter is losing, or if a fight is close.

Both guys rising up in weight is phenomenal. Pacquiao committing to the jab more and using the right hook against these wws is not versatility. That is a part of the learning process and being in shape under Roach. Pacquiao making you miss now and fighting off the ropes is versatility-especially the Cotto fight.

Pac did not do that against the smaller, more skilled smaller guys. He couldn't. That isn't a failure nor a slight towards Pacquiao. Floyd went from being aggressive on offense early in his career to offense/defense more.

You remember his dad saying before he fought Chico-after the fought Burton/Augustus that he needs to fight a smart, defensive fight because he was committing more to offense than defense. Floyd Sr knew that he couldn't do that with Chico. Floyd put it all together against Chico.

Floyd showed versatility in both fights with Castillo because he couldn't beat him one way. Castillo put tremendous pressure on Floyd. Floyd boxed and stood flat footed, fought out of the corner, used footwork, stood center ring.

I saw Pacquiao fight the same fight against JMM twice with the exception of coming out slower against JMM in the rematch and many think he lost that fight.

Both show versatility now, but Floyd has been using his versatility for years.

[Bazooka]

Originally Posted by sdsfinest22

Why brawl when you don't have to?

Correction: Why brawl when you dont have the ability or the self beleif or guts to?

[Blizz42]

Originally Posted by Bazooka

That was all boxing the man was in reverse.... try again.

This is the answer of a mentally beaten boxing fan Fucken excuse maker. Fucken Rockem, Sockem robot fan

[Blizz42]

Originally Posted by Bazooka

Correction: Why brawl when you dont have the ability or the self beleif or guts to?

Now we all know who we're arguing with Fucken pathetic.