ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division - P4P Survey Updated in October 2011

[BronxBull]

Bernard Hopkins is on the middle weight list but not Jake LaMotta?? ridiculous

[Harvin87]

where the hell is JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ ?

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by BronxBull

Bernard Hopkins is on the middle weight list but not Jake LaMotta?? ridiculous

How so?

[Rumsfeld]

BTW everyone, I'm going to eventually finish that P4P survey at some point in the foreseeable future.

[lufcrazy]

Having pac in the featherweight list seems dramatically out of place imo. I had him beating both mab and jmm but them two victories alone don't warrant a top ten place surely? Infact marquez himself is a greater fw imo

[Flea Man]

Wonjongkam a top ten fly

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Having pac in the featherweight list seems dramatically out of place imo. I had him beating both mab and jmm but them two victories alone don't warrant a top ten place surely? Infact marquez himself is a greater fw imo

Marcel

[FrazierVsTyson]

only correction i would make is that hagler was the best middleweight ever. other than that great job man!

[Boxed Ears]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Wonjongkam a top ten fly

Leave it alone, Flea!

[1899sharkey]

Jim Jeffries should be on any top ten heavy list. Tyson is barely a top twenty.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by 1899sharkey

Jim Jeffries should be on any top ten heavy list. Tyson is barely a top twenty.

Tyson is one of the most dominant champions in the history of the HW division.

would you have preferred had he fought less frequently, still defeating the same names but over a longer period?

not only that but in 96 he reestablished himself as the best HW in the world, 10 years after first achieveing the feat after destroying trev.

Jeffries is very very great, top 15 IMO. again a hugely dominant champ.

Originally Posted by burt bienstock

inthe alltime lightweight poll of ESB,I would put Benny Leonard NO I, because he dominated the lightweight division for 7 years, against the strongest challengers in the history of the division. Duran ,I would place along with Ike Williams, and Tony Canzoneri, NO 2 and 3, with Joe Gans, great fighter of the long ago past in the mix....But for ESB poll ,putting Pernell Whitaker NO4 is ludercrous...For example, Henry Armstrong, or a young, volume punching Beau Jack [who I saw many times],wouldsimply overwhelm Whitaker. Pernell could only dodge so many bullets, before his luck would run out...I would also bet the ranch that Shane Mosely as lightweight would whip Whitaker.....

Mosley beating whitaker. You must be joking.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

Leave it alone, Flea!

[Brian Zelley]

ALI is rated too high and Ezzard Charles is not the best light-heavyweight

Interesting, heavyweight list, an obvious slant when you have
Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Foreman in the top ten - it is like the good old
boys club of the Seventies with Larry tossed in to bend the result towards the moderns.

Looking at the other divisions, far too many top fighters are missing in action.
Wonder how folks dream -up their choices, is it a cultural thing an age thing,
a race card thing or what?

[Brian Zelley]

Originally Posted by McGrain

ESB Classic, as a whole, has overated him according to you.

There's a clue in there somewhere.

Well there are a few in the list of ten heavyweights that are over-rated
by the starry-eyed voters. You have a heavyweight poll with
ALI - FRAZIER - FOREMAN - HOLMES in the top ten. Now isn't that convenient logic. Build-up ALI to number one spot and to justify his superior standing
boost-up some of his key opponents. Some of the voters must of researched their choices by reading old "World Boxing" and "International Boxing" magazines from the Seventies and Eighties to support their picks in this
difficult decision making process. THE BEST OF BOXING