Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Boxing Training/Amateur Boxing


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-18-2011, 10:17 AM   #31
scrap
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,661
vCash: 1000
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Wheres their is no Sense, Theirs no Feeling, it is simple.
scrap is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 08-18-2011, 10:52 AM   #32
vonLPC
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 360
vCash: 500
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty View Post
I think overhead pressing movements can only be a good thing, along with the muscular balance and strength they can provide to the shoulders they engage the stabilising muscles helping to prevent injuries. Helps with balance, proprioception and core strength aswell.

If the lifter is very proficient at the lifts I'd say more towards that 85-90% range as you still have to move very quickly. Plyometrics I think would be more beneficial for working the pure velocity side of things. You might find some differing opinions and you'd still get great benefits from doing the lifts with less weight. If a boxer is doing olympic lifts in any form then he's already ahead of the pack imo.
Thanks Lefty, makes sense. I have found the same thing personally regarding the pressing question.
vonLPC is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2011, 12:01 PM   #33
Joan_Guzman
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,622
vCash: 75
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Weights make you slow and tight 0
Joan_Guzman is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2011, 01:01 PM   #34
scrap
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,661
vCash: 1000
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

proprereceptive and power stretching doesnt.
scrap is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 02:18 AM   #35
Sprawla
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 566
vCash: 500
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joan_Guzman View Post
Weights make you slow and tight 0

not true
Sprawla is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 04:11 AM   #36
cryptic
Journeyman
ESB Jr Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 266
vCash: 1100
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

if weights make you slow how do you explain the 100m olympic champs. they are buff as hell.
cryptic is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 07:06 AM   #37
Sprawla
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 566
vCash: 500
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

a 100 meter sprinter main form of training is lifting weights. It actually makes them more explosive.
Sprawla is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 07:32 AM   #38
scrap
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,661
vCash: 1000
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

with no stamina
scrap is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 07:42 AM   #39
Sprawla
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 566
vCash: 500
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Lookm at mma fighters, they are very muscular and some fight 5x5 minute rounds or 3x5 minute rounds no problem. Stamina isnt an issue
Sprawla is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 08:31 AM   #40
HoldMyBeer
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 5,287
vCash: 500
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprawla View Post
Lookm at mma fighters, they are very muscular and some fight 5x5 minute rounds or 3x5 minute rounds no problem. Stamina isnt an issue
stamina is always an issue even if you don't see it. right down to decision making and having enough clarity to make the right one.
HoldMyBeer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2011, 09:04 AM   #41
scrap
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,661
vCash: 1000
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Sprawla, go and work for a year with Cerabel Palsey kids, then you will no, or hopefully find out about Neuromuscular adaptions
scrap is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2011, 11:02 AM   #42
Sprawla
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 566
vCash: 500
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Quote:
Originally Posted by scrap View Post
Sprawla, go and work for a year with Cerabel Palsey kids, then you will no, or hopefully find out about Neuromuscular adaptions

so now you pull out a disability card, FULL BLOWN CREEP..

talk dribble most of the time, now pull out this shit, dont speak to me creepo
Sprawla is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2011, 11:08 AM   #43
Sprawla
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 566
vCash: 500
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
stamina is always an issue even if you don't see it. right down to decision making and having enough clarity to make the right one.

i dont expect anyones decision making to be as sharp in the 5th round as it is in the 1st. Lots of mma guys do the 5 minutes rounds no problem and the more muscular guys dont get knocked out by thinner guys because they cant make decisions fast enough. Look at Aussie rules players, they are all muscular and some of them run up to 20km per game, stamina isnt an issue there.
You can not say because you have muscle you have no stamina, its not true
Sprawla is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2011, 01:20 PM   #44
lefty
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,902
vCash: 1290
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

Quote:
Originally Posted by scrap View Post
Wheres their is no Sense, Theirs no Feeling, it is simple.
Weights aren't really meant for targeting the afferent division though are they, it's the efferent division being used. It's the CNS sending the order to overcome the resistance, causing the neuromuscular system to adapt in response to the stress. Feeling is important but training with weights is for gross movements, powerful movements that don't require precision. I respect everything you have to say Scrap but I don't understand your aversion to weights, it can't really be disputed that they do make an individual stronger and in turn more powerful. With a balanced training program can't they only be a good thing?
lefty is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2011, 03:03 PM   #45
scrap
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,661
vCash: 1000
Default Re: On A Scale Of One To Ten, How Important Is Lifting Weights?

True Lefty, but were all looking for adaptions through feel, the fastest response unit in our arsenal. So the problem I have with weights, metal ones are they are constant, where the neuromuscular system is not, levers, contractions, different ressitance reqiurments. It depends how you look at it, I have over the yearsusing rubber as resistance, better as it works simular to muscle as regarding expansion and contractionhelping not to tighten tendons as much if at all. I mention the slap or the Tickle a few times, that was in regards to this subject. Been using it for a few year now, the results weve got are making a lot of top people come on board. talk later.
scrap is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Boxing Training/Amateur Boxing

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013