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Old 08-23-2011, 04:21 PM   #1
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Default HW resume against opponents who have, at one time or another, featured in the top 10.

A while ago I started a thread about this and have only just got round to finishing it.

This is just against opponents who have featured in the top 10 at one point NOT NECESSARILY AT THE TIME OF THE FIGHT.

I've done it for every HW who might have been considered the number 1 at some point so it isn't just lineal champions. I've also added amendments where I've watched a fight and disagreed with the result.

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Wladimir Klitschko 17-2-0 (13)

Jackson, Barret, Byrd (x2), Jefferson, Mercer, McCline, Sanders, Brewster (x2), Peter (x2), Brock, Ibragimov, Thompson, Rahman, Chagaev, Chambers, Haye (16.)

+Chris Byrd 10-4-1 (3)

Jackson, Butler, Cooper, Ibeabuchi, Thunder, Ribalta, V Klitschko, W Klitschko (x2), Tua, Holyfield, Oquendo, Golota, McCline, Povetkin (14)

Vitali Klitschko 13-2-0 (11)

Ribalta, Hide, Byrd, Norris, Donald, Lewis, Johnson, Sanders, Williams, Peter, Gomez, Arreola, Johnson, Briggs, Adamek (15)

Hasim Rahman 4-7-2 (2)

Berbick, Tua (x2), Maskaev (x2), Sanders, Lewis (x2), Holyfield, Ruiz, Barret, Toney, W. Klitschko (9)

Lennox Lewis 21-2-1 (16) *22-2-0 (16)

Mason, Weaver, Biggs, Ocasio, Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, Jackson, McCall (x2), Butler, Morrison, Mercer, Akinwande, Golota, Briggs, Holyfield (x2)*, Grant, Tua, Rahman (x2), Tyson, V. Klitschko (21)

Shannon Briggs 4-4-1 (3) *3-5-1 (3)

Ellis, Foreman*, Lewis, Botha, McCline, Mercer, Lyakhovic, Ibragimov, V. Klitschko (9)

Michael Moorer 4-3-0 (2)

Cooper, Smith, Holyfield (x2), Foreman, Schulz, Botha, Tua (7)

Riddick Bowe 13-1-0 (11)

Butler, Thomas, Cooper, Biggs, Tubbs, Seldon, Holyfield (x3), Dokes, Ferguson, Hide, Gonzalez, Golota (x2) (12)

Evander Holyfield 18-9-2 (9) *19-9-0 (9)

Tillis, Thomas, Dokes, Rodrigues, Stewart (x2), Douglas, Foreman, Cooper, Holmes, Bowe (x3), Moorer (x2), Mercer, Tyson (x2), Lewis (x2)*, Ruiz (x3)**, Rahman, Byrd, Toney, Donald, Oquendo, Ibragimov, Valuev* (22)

Buster Douglas 5-4-0 (1)

Bey, Cobb, Ferguson, Page, Tucker, Berbick, McCall, Tyson, Holyfield, (8.)

Mike Tyson 18-5-0 (14) *20-5-0 (16)

Tillis, Berbick, Smith, Thomas, Tucker, Biggs, Frazier, Ribalta, Holmes, Tubbs, M.Spinks, Bruno (x2), Stewart, Williams, Douglas, Ruddock (x2), Seldon, Holyfield (x2), Lewis, Williams (*Norris, Golota) (20) *(22)

Michael Spinks 3-1-0 (1) *2-2-0 (1)

Holmes (x2)*, Cooney, Tyson (3)

Larry Holmes 24-5-0 (17) *26-3-0 (17)

Shavers(x2), Norton, Avengelisto, Occasio, Zanon, Jones, LeDoux, Ali, Berbick, L.Spinks, Snipes, Cooney, Cobb, Witherspoon, Smith (x2), Bey, Williams, Ribalta, Frazier, M.Spinks (x2)*, Tyson, Mercer, Holyfield, McCall*, Weaver (x2) (25)

Leon Spinks 3-4-1 (2)

LeDoux, Ali (x2), Coatzee, Evangelista, Mercado, Holmes, Cobb (7)

+Ken Norton 10-7-1 (6) *11-6-1 (6)

Garcia (x2), Clarke, Ali (x3)*, Foreman, Kirkman, Quarry, Middleton, Bobick, Zanon, Young, Holmes, Shavers, LeDoux, Cobb, Cooney (15)

George Foreman 15-5-0 (13) *16-4-0 (13)

Kirkman, Chuvalo, Peralta (x2), Frazier (x2), Norton, Ali, Lyle, LeDoux, Young, Cooper, Cooney, Rodrigues, Holyfield, Ellis, Morrison, Moorer, Schulz, Briggs* (18.)

Joe Frazier 14-4-0 (9)

Bonavena (x2), Machen, Daniels, Jones, Chuvalo, Ramos, Quarry (x2), Ellis (x2) , Ali (x3), Foreman (x2), Bugner, Mathis (12)

Muhammed Ali 43-5-0 (26) *42-6-0 (26)

Johnson, Miteff, Besmanoff, Logan, Daniels, Avorante, Powell, Moore, Jones, Cooper (x2), Liston (x2), Patterson (x2), Chuvalo (x2), London, Mildenberger, Williams, Terrell, Folley, Quarry (x2), Bonavena, Frazier(x3), Mathis, Blin, Lewis Ellis, Foster, Bugner (x2), Norton (x3)*, Foreman, Wepner, Lyle, Young, Evangelista, Shavers, Spinks (x2), Holmes, Berbick (37)

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Sonny Liston 17-3-0 (14)

Summerlin (x2), Bethea, Hunter, DeJohn, Williams (x2), Valdes, Besmanoff, Harris, Folley, Machen, Patterson (x2), Ali (x2), Rischer, Lincoln, Wepner, Martin (16)

Ingo Johanneson 9-2-0 (7)

Hoff, Cavicci, Cooper, Erskine, Neuhaus, Machen, Patterson (x3), Richardson, London (9)

Floyd Patterson 11-7-1 (8.)

Slade, Jackson (x2), Moore, Harris, London, Johanneson (x3), Liston (x2), Machen, Chuvalo, Ali (x2), Cooper, Quarry (x2), Ellis, Bonavena (14)


+Archie Moore 13-3-1 (7)

Payne, Muscato, Bivins, Sys, Slade, Dunlop (x2), Henry, Valdes (x2), Baker, Marciano, Patterson, Besmanoff (x2), Lavorante, Ali (14)

Rocky Marciano 16-0-0 (14)

Muscato, Reynold, Shkor, La Starza (x2), Layne, Beshore, Louis, Savold, Matthews, Walcott (x2), Charles (x2), ****ell, Moore (13)

Joe Walcott 16-10-0 (6)

Ray (x3), Simon, Baksi, Murray, Bivins, Oma, Gomez, Maxim (x3), Hoff, Louis (x2), Charles (x4), Agramonte, Johnson, Sheppard Layne, Marciano (x2) (16)

Ezzard Charles 26-12-0 (11)

Maxim (x5), Bivins (x4), Ray (x2), Baksi, Walcott (x4), Valentino, Beshore, Louis, Oma, Layne (x3), Kahut, Brion, Harrison, Valdes, Wallace, Sattersfield, Marciano (x2), Holman (x2), Jackson (x2), Young Johnson, Bethea, McMurty, Richardson, Logan (24)


Jimmy Bivins 21-11-1 (6)

Musto, Bettina (x3), Pastor (x2), Muscato, Mauriello (x2), Savold, Valentino (x2), Murray (x5), Walker, Scott, Sheppard (x3), Walcott, Agramonte, Thompson, Payne, Henry (x2), Louis, Baker, Wallace, Harrison (x2) (20)

Joe Louis 50-3-0 (38.)

Everett, Sykes, Toles, Barry, Pareda, Massare, McCoy, Roper, Ramage (x2), Perroni, Brown (x2), Reztlaff, Carnera, Levinski, Baer, Uzcudun, Schmelling (x2), Sharkey, Attore, Pastor (x2), Braddock, Farr, Mann, Galento, Paycheck, Godoy (x2), Burman, Dorazio, Simon (x2), Musto, Baer (x2), Conn (x2), Nova, Mauriello, Walcott (x2), Charles, Brion (x2), Beshore, Agoramante (x2), Savold, Bivins, Marciano (42)

James Braddock 3-5-0 (0)

Rosenbloom, Schaaf, Ettore, Reztlaff, Lasky, Baer, Louis, Farr (8.)


Max Baer 10-9-0 (7)

Brown, Schaaf (x2), Heeney (x2), Loughran, Risko (x2), Uzcudun, Levinski (x3), Griffiths, Schmelling, Carnera, Braddock, Louis, Farr (x2), Nova (x2), Galento, Comiskey (16)

Primo Carnera 13-9-0 (6)

Stribling (x2), Godfrey, Maloney (x2) Uzcudun (x2), Gorman, Sharkey (x2), Levinski (x2), Gains, Poreda, Lasky, Schaaf, Loughran, Baer, Louis, Neusel, Haynes (16)


Jack Sharkey 17-12-2 (5) *16-13-2 (5)

Weinert (x2), Johnson, Renault, Rojas, Gorman (x2), Risko (x2), Maloney (x2), Godfrey, Wills, Dempsey, Heeney, Delaney, De Kuh, Stribling, Loughran (x2), Scott, Schmelling (x2)*, Walker, Carnera (x2), Levinski, Winston, Louis (22)

Max Schemlling 9-6-1 (6) *10-5-1 (6)

Gains, Risko, Uzcudun (x3), Sharkey (x2)*, Stribling, Walker, Baer, Hamas (x2), Neusel (x2), Louis (x2) (10)

Gene Tunney 9-0-0 (4)

Weinert (x2), Spalla, Greb, Gibbons, Risko, Dempsey (x2), Heeney (7)

+Wills 33-7-4 (16)

Clark (x8.), Jeanette (x3), Langford (x17), Meehan, McVey (x5), Jim Johnson (x2), Smith, Martin, Norfolk, Firpo, Weinert, F.Johnson, Sharkey, Uzcudun (14)

Dempsey 21-5-3 (13)

J. Flynn (x2), Meehan (x5), Smith (x2), Morris (x3), Brennan (x2), Miske (x3), Pelkey, D. Flynn (x2), Fulton, Levinski, Willard, Carpentier, Gibbons, Firpo, Tunney (x2), Sharkey (16)

Willard 5-3-1 (2)

Pelkey, McCarthy, Smith, Morris, J. Johnson, Moran, Dempsey, F. Johnson, Firpo (9)

+McVey 24-14-11 (9)

Johnson (x3), Carter, Martin (x4), Jeanette (x4), Kubiak, Langford (x15), Jim Johnson (x7), Lang, Pelkey, Wills (x5), Ferguson, Clark (x6) (12)

+Jeanette 23-16-11 (6)

Johnson (x5), Langford (x9), McVey (x4), Ferguson (x4), Kubiak (x4), Clarke (x4), Ross (x2), D Flynn (x2), Sullivan, Jim Johnson (x9), Carpentier, Pelkey, Wills (x3) (13)

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+Langford 48-27-18 (20)

Jeanette (x9), Johnson, Ferguson (x2), Kubiak (x2), J Flynn (x6), Schreck, Ketchel, Jim Johnson (x12), Clarke (x10), Lang, McVey (x15), O’Brien, Ross, D Flynn (x2), Smith (x2), Curran, Wills (x17), Fulton (x2), Meehan, Norfolk. (19)



Johnson 27-5-5 (7)

Choynski, Griffin (x3), Childs (x2), Gardner, Martin (x2), McVey (x3), Ferguson (x4), Hart, Jeanette (x7), Langford, Fitzsimmons, Felix, J. Flynn (x2), Burns, Ross, Kaufman, Ketchel, Jeffries, Jim Johnson, Moran, Willard (21)




Burns 5-2-2 (3)

Hart, Flynn, O’Brien (x2), Lang (x2), J.Johnson, Pelkey, Beckett (7)


Hart 8.-5-3 (3)

Choynski, Carter, Gardner, Ferguson, Ruhlin (x2), J.Johnson, Root, Burns, Schrek (x3), Maher, Twin Sullivan, Ross, Morris (12)

Jeffries 12-1-2 (9)

Griffin (x2), Ruhlin (x2), Choynski, Goddard. Jackson, Sharkey (x2), Fitzsimmons (x2), Munroe, Corbett (x2), Kennedy, J.Johnson (11)

Fitzsimmons 7-6-0 (6) *8-5-0 (8.)

Dooley (x2), Maher, Sharkey (x2)*, Corbett, Jeffries (x2), Dunkhorst, Ruhlin, O’Brien, Johnson, Lang (10)

Corbett 9-4-3 (5)

Donaldson, Burke, Choynski (x3), Kilrain, Burke McCaffrey, Sullivan, Mitchell, Sharkey (x2), Fitzsimmons, McCoy, Jackson, Jeffries (x2) (13)

Peter Jackson 10-3-2 (8.)

Farnam (x2), Lees (x2), Dooley, O’Donnell, Godfrey, McCauliffe, Cardiff, Maher, Smith, Goddard, Corbett, Slavin, Jeffries (13)

Sullivan 11-1-3 (5)

Donaldson, Goss, Burke, Greenfield (x2), Dalton, Ryan (x2), Elliot, Mitchell, Slade, Mcaffrey, Kilrain, Burke, Corbett (13)

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I think that you are selling some of the old timers short.

For example, I think Sharkey might have fought more guys who were currently ranked than you have listed.
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I think that you are selling some of the old timers short.

For example, I think Sharkey might have fought more guys who were currently ranked than you have listed.
I've used the year end rankings supplied by Matt D and the ring. These go back to 1892.

If you have any further info I'll happily add it in.
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All it shows is that once again Ali and Louis are unmatched in this category.
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I think that you are selling some of the old timers short.

For example, I think Sharkey might have fought more guys who were currently ranked than you have listed.
cnat help yourself can you?
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by this stat louis takes the cake

wlad and lewis are very similar
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All it shows is that once again Ali and Louis are unmatched in this category.
They are quite a long way ahead of the rest.
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by this stat louis takes the cake

wlad and lewis are very similar
They are and it isn't beyond reason that Wlad will overtake Lewis in the near future.
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Christ! For Louis and Ali its nearly their entire resume.
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I have several lists like that. I also count the Light Heavyweight Champions.

Ali fought 38 different opponents 49 times in 61 bouts that were rated at one time or another in the top 10 in the World. (80.3279%)
Louis fought 43 different Opponents 54 times in 70 (or 71 or 72) bouts that were rated at one time or another in the top 10 in the World. (77.143%)
You can also count just 68 of Louis's fights and the % comes out to: 79.412%

Ali fought 37 out of 61 opponents (60.656%) while they were in the top 10. He beat 32 of them (52.459%)
Louis fought 35 out of 70 opponents (50%) while they were rated in the top 10. He beat 32 of them (45.71%)
You can also count just 68 of Louis's fights and the % comes out to: 51.47% & 47.059%

Ali fought boxers that had an average pro record of 33-5-1 when he fought them.
Louis fought boxers that had an average pro record of 38-10-2.5 when he fought them.


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All it shows is that once again Ali and Louis are unmatched in this category.
Louis yes, Ali has only 2 more than Holmes, who in turn has 3 more than lewis,tyson and Klit. True, they are unmatched but Louis wins this by a considerable distance. Not shitting on my man Ali, just throwing it out there

Oh, and good work Luf. That musta took you a long time
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Louis yes, Ali has only 2 more than Holmes, who in turn has 3 more than lewis,tyson and Klit. True, they are unmatched but Louis wins this by a considerable distance. Not shitting on my man Ali, just throwing it out there

Oh, and good work Luf. That musta took you a long time
I believe a more important stat would be how many fighters did they fight when there opponent was still in the top 10.

Some fighters were past their prime when they fought them and out of the top 10.

Look on post 12 for more facts.
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Louis yes, Ali has only 2 more than Holmes
Did you forget how to add and subtract?

Ali: 43-5
Holmes: 22-5

That's a difference of 21, not 2.
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