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Old 05-26-2011, 10:24 AM   #121
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Bernard Hopkins is on the middle weight list but not Jake LaMotta?? ridiculous
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Old 08-05-2011, 03:26 PM   #122
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where the hell is JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ ?
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Old 08-12-2011, 02:54 AM   #123
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Bernard Hopkins is on the middle weight list but not Jake LaMotta?? ridiculous
How so?
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Old 08-12-2011, 02:55 AM   #124
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BTW everyone, I'm going to eventually finish that P4P survey at some point in the foreseeable future.
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:24 PM   #125
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Having pac in the featherweight list seems dramatically out of place imo. I had him beating both mab and jmm but them two victories alone don't warrant a top ten place surely? Infact marquez himself is a greater fw imo
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:58 AM   #126
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Wonjongkam a top ten fly
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:58 AM   #127
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Having pac in the featherweight list seems dramatically out of place imo. I had him beating both mab and jmm but them two victories alone don't warrant a top ten place surely? Infact marquez himself is a greater fw imo
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Old 09-13-2011, 03:17 PM   #128
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only correction i would make is that hagler was the best middleweight ever. other than that great job man!
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:36 PM   #129
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:25 AM   #130
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Jim Jeffries should be on any top ten heavy list. Tyson is barely a top twenty.
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Old 09-14-2011, 04:27 PM   #131
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Jim Jeffries should be on any top ten heavy list. Tyson is barely a top twenty.
Tyson is one of the most dominant champions in the history of the HW division.

would you have preferred had he fought less frequently, still defeating the same names but over a longer period?

not only that but in 96 he reestablished himself as the best HW in the world, 10 years after first achieveing the feat after destroying trev.

Jeffries is very very great, top 15 IMO. again a hugely dominant champ.
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Old 09-19-2011, 08:12 AM   #132
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inthe alltime lightweight poll of ESB,I would put Benny Leonard NO I, because he dominated the lightweight division for 7 years, against the strongest challengers in the history of the division. Duran ,I would place along with Ike Williams, and Tony Canzoneri, NO 2 and 3, with Joe Gans, great fighter of the long ago past in the mix....But for ESB poll ,putting Pernell Whitaker NO4 is ludercrous...For example, Henry Armstrong, or a young, volume punching Beau Jack [who I saw many times],wouldsimply overwhelm Whitaker. Pernell could only dodge so many bullets, before his luck would run out...I would also bet the ranch that Shane Mosely as lightweight would whip Whitaker.....
Mosley beating whitaker. You must be joking.
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Old 09-19-2011, 05:07 PM   #133
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:37 PM   #134
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ALI is rated too high and Ezzard Charles is not the best light-heavyweight

Interesting, heavyweight list, an obvious slant when you have
Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Foreman in the top ten - it is like the good old
boys club of the Seventies with Larry tossed in to bend the result towards the moderns.

Looking at the other divisions, far too many top fighters are missing in action.
Wonder how folks dream -up their choices, is it a cultural thing an age thing,
a race card thing or what?
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:37 PM   #135
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ESB Classic, as a whole, has overated him according to you.

There's a clue in there somewhere.
Well there are a few in the list of ten heavyweights that are over-rated
by the starry-eyed voters. You have a heavyweight poll with
ALI - FRAZIER - FOREMAN - HOLMES in the top ten. Now isn't that convenient logic. Build-up ALI to number one spot and to justify his superior standing
boost-up some of his key opponents. Some of the voters must of researched their choices by reading old "World Boxing" and "International Boxing" magazines from the Seventies and Eighties to support their picks in this
difficult decision making process. THE BEST OF BOXING
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