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Old 01-14-2008, 12:13 AM   #61
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Ok, Zarate is likely number 1 or 2 Bantam (an original weight category) in history with all things considered. He's definitely worthy of thought. His record is brilliant.
Jofre, Olivares, Manuel Ortiz, Panama Al Brown and Fighting Harada all have superior resumes to that of zarate.

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Old 01-14-2008, 12:20 AM   #62
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Yeah but whats ur reason for ranking bob fitszimmons and jimmy wilde so high though. They are more based on praise, than actual resume. Fitzsimmons may have been a 3 division champ, but its not like he beat the atgs. Wilde was pretty padded up too. Carlos Ortiz accomplished more than both imo.

Locce, loi, elorde, ramos, laguna and joe brown, these are all the men the guy beat. I personally rank him in my top 20. Crushes the resume of a jimmy wilde or fitsmimonns for that matter.
Fitz for his accomplishment of winning titles in 3 original weight classes, while weighing around 167 lbs. He was considered one of the best MW's, LHW's, and HW's of his day, which is unheard of. He KO'd Nonpareil Jack Dempsey at MW, beat Corbett and Sharkey at HW.

Also, while his boxrec record is only at around 55 wins or so, his exact record is unknown, many estimating he had around 300 or so fights.

Wilde, though with a lesser resume than others, did it against much bigger opposition. He was a Flyweight beating up Lightweight size fighters, and was known as one of the greatest P4P punchers in the history of boxing. I guess it's more of a thing of rating him based on performance and dominance over resume. I do think he's a bit overrated though, as many have him in theit top 10's and such, which I disagree with.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:44 AM   #63
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Jofre, Olivares, Manuel Ortiz, Panama Al Brown and Fighting Harada all have superior resumes to that of zarate.
That's your opinion but certainly not mine. My post "with all things considered" includes my own head to head views not just resume. Never the less Zarate has a sterling record. Each to their own, but IMO Zarate could be in the top 50.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:47 AM   #64
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Oh and commendations on leaving Pryor out, he often finds his way onto lists like this. He's 50 - 100 IMO.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:48 AM   #65
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Canto is another possible.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:54 AM   #66
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Dick Tiger notable omission

Perez

Bloody good list tho mate. Nearly all the right names there and mostly very solid placings.
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:07 AM   #67
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Very open to suggesstions. As said, a very rough copy, not happy with it yet, at all.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Roberto Duran
8. Ray Leonard
9. Barney Ross
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Benny Leonard
12. Willie Pep
13. Joe Louis
14. Joe Walcott
15. Mickey Walker
16. Bob Fitzsimmons
17. Joe Gans
18. Archie Moore
19. Carlos Monzon
20. Marvin Hagler
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Julio Cesar Chavez
23. Sandy Saddler
24. Gene Tunney’
25. Alexis Arguello
26. Jimmy Wilde
27. Emile Griffith
28. Roy Jones Jr.
29. Eder Jofre
30. Evander Holyfield
31. Tommy Hearns
32. Jose Napoles
33. Lennox Lewis
34. Carlos Ortiz
35. Kid Gavilan
36. Ike Williams
37. Floyd Mayweather
38. Bernard Hopkins
39. Charley Burley
40. Stanley Ketchell
41. Oscar De La Hoya
42. Mike McCallum
43. Salvador Sanchez
44. Beau Jack
45. Rocky Marciano
46. Michael Spinks
47. Larry Holmes
48. Carmen Basilio
49. Billy Conn
50. Ricardo Lopez
Off a superficial scan, I think it has most of the essentials right. For criticisms, I think Ray Leonard is perhaps a bit high, Carlos Monzon is a little too low, Julio Cesar Chavez is probably too low, Lennox Lewis much too high (he ranks ahead of Floyd Mayweather, De La Hoya, Marciano, Frazier, Holmes, Ricardo Lopez, etc., pound-for-pound?!?!), and Marciano much too low.
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:33 AM   #68
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I like a high ranking for Holyfield in P4P lists too.

While I am not a massive fan of Holy when considered purely as a HW, his efforts relative to his size against some giants, and his previous stellar reign as a Cruiser makes him worthy of careful consideration.

IMO he also rates exceptionally well for mental fortitude...

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Holyfield was UNDISPUTED champion in TWO of the modern weight divisions, so I think he deserves that ranking.

I dont recognize all the divisions equally - I mean 3 world titles in 3 divisions in 1930s means more than it does later on - but I cant think of many modern fighters who were UNDISPUTED champion in more than one division, so Holyfield deserves some recognition.
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Off a superficial scan, I think it has most of the essentials right. For criticisms, I think Ray Leonard is perhaps a bit high, Carlos Monzon is a little too low, Julio Cesar Chavez is probably too low, Lennox Lewis much too high (he ranks ahead of Floyd Mayweather, De La Hoya, Marciano, Frazier, Holmes, Ricardo Lopez, etc., pound-for-pound?!?!), and Marciano much too low.
I put resumes at the top of my criteria, and Lewis beat most of the big names of a very good Heavyweight era, and every man he ever faced. Also, as I stated in another thread, the Heavyweights are the only openweight class, so I disagree when people choose to rank them lower. Head to head in a P4P sense? Perhaps, but not resume wise.
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You really are an old, scenile twat aren't you?
He's the most dislikable poster i've come accross on ESB, & thats some achievement.
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