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Old 01-13-2008, 07:49 PM   #1
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Default Anyone seen Carnera-Loughran (the title match) ?

I have read that Loughran got the better of Carnera most of the time, but Carnera got the decision. Was it a bad decision or did Carnera best him? Consider Loughran had beaten the Italian in a previous non-title fight, the claim has some merit, but i'd like to see a newspaper account or comments from someone who has seen the fight.


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Old 01-13-2008, 08:04 PM   #2
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I have never heard it suggested that it was anything other than a clear cut win for Carnera.
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Old 01-13-2008, 08:20 PM   #3
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If it was legit then Carnera had a pretty good championship run. Won it by convincing knockout (i don't believe that fix-****), defended 4 months later against a pretty good challenger in Uzcudun (although he'd been slipping a bit), Loughran 5 months later (another good challenger), and then Baer. As good as any title run Holyfield has ever had.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:28 AM   #4
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The fight exists on film, but only in a highlight version. Carnera looks good for a man his size. As far as I know the decision was correct.

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Old 01-14-2008, 05:18 AM   #5
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I've watched some clips from the fight. It looks as though Carnera has the edge in the rounds I've seen. It's never been my understanding that there was any serious dispute of this decision.
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:16 AM   #6
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If it was legit then Carnera had a pretty good championship run. Won it by convincing knockout (i don't believe that fix-****), defended 4 months later against a pretty good challenger in Uzcudun (although he'd been slipping a bit), Loughran 5 months later (another good challenger), and then Baer. As good as any title run Holyfield has ever had.
The consensus is that it was a close but valid decision,they only met once by the way,are you getting mixed up with Ray Impelliteire?
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:47 AM   #7
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I think no fighter in history has had there reputation as a fighter damaged as badly as PRIMO CARNERA has.

The accounts of writers like Budd Schulberg and Paul Gallico (both of whom went on to successful careers as FICTION writers) are repeated as gospel to this day.

The hapless, lumbering giant, "most of his fights were fixed", "He didn't even know it!", a highly-orchestrated mafia conspiracy to turn a gentle giant who couldn't box a lick into a world champion.

I find the story unlikely, and sensationalist.
It seems as if the most extreme version of events is the one that has gained currency.

As for Carnera-Loughran, I've read that Carnera outboxed him and that Loughran blamed it on the fact that Carnera kept stepping on his feet with his own colossal feet. Loughran had the bruises to show for it.
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:15 AM   #8
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The consensus is that it was a close but valid decision,they only met once by the way,are you getting mixed up with Ray Impelliteire?
I'm getting old, mcvey. I wasn't thinking of Impelltiere though. I'm glad there's a clear concensus on this case though.
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I'm getting old, mcvey. I wasn't thinking of Impelltiere though. I'm glad there's a clear concensus on this case though.
Not as old as me CP.Joe Louis was champ when I was born.
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Not as old as me CP.Joe Louis was champ when I was born.
George Foreman was champ when I was born.

So I'm either 13 or 34 !

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Didn't expect you to be 13, Sonny.

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Old 01-14-2008, 09:55 AM   #12
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I saw clips. Carnera was in control. The decsion was a clean one. Lourghan was just too small and without enough fire power to win.
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I saw clips. Carnera was in control. The decsion was a clean one. Lourghan was just too small and without enough fire power to win.
I have seen a number of rounds also. Carnera certainly dominated the later rounds. Loughran was ahead after ten, but tired.

Carnera is generally underrated. His reputation is harmed by rather loose fix talk and he is the victim of the size double-standard--even when he won it was dismissed because he was so much bigger than his opposition. That is really not relevent in heavyweight boxing.

By the way, watch a selection from rounds 4-9 of the Baer fight on youtube. Carnera looks pretty good.
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I have seen a number of rounds also. Carnera certainly dominated the later rounds. Loughran was ahead after ten, but tired.

Carnera is generally underrated. His reputation is harmed by rather loose fix talk and he is the victim of the size double-standard--even when he won it was dismissed because he was so much bigger than his opposition. That is really not relevent in heavyweight boxing.

By the way, watch a selection from rounds 4-9 of the Baer fight on youtube. Carnera looks pretty good.
Quotes from Carnera ,sitting on his dressing room bench ,alone and unattended after Louis half killed him,an unsympathetic reporter,"did he hit you hard?""Jesus god yes","would you want to fight him again?" "Jesus god no!"
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:47 PM   #15
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I have seen a number of rounds also. Carnera certainly dominated the later rounds. Loughran was ahead after ten, but tired.

Carnera is generally underrated. His reputation is harmed by rather loose fix talk and he is the victim of the size double-standard--even when he won it was dismissed because he was so much bigger than his opposition. That is really not relevent in heavyweight boxing.

By the way, watch a selection from rounds 4-9 of the Baer fight on youtube. Carnera looks pretty good.
I have seen several Carnera-Baer mid rounds a few years ago and from what i remember, he handled Baer pretty well. The irony is that pretty much everyone ranks Baer higher on all-time lists. Now that i think about it, i'm going to make a thread to discuss this.
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