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Old 09-27-2011, 06:15 PM   #16
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They even posed him doing "war-work" for a publicity photograph...unfortunately Jack even forgot to change his patent-leather shoes for the disastrous picture.
burt, ravishing rick, splitnose...explain yourselves!!
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:17 PM   #17
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burt, ravishing rick, splitnose...explain yourselves!!
In fairness, he was passed as having to many dependants to go to war. Of course, people with more did go...and people with fewer responsibilities probably took advantage of the rule to duck. Go figure.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:17 PM   #18
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It's not the same cos Dempsey was white.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:22 PM   #19
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How did the best black and white hw do when they met up to 1960?

Here is the list using the white champions

Corbett--Drew with Jackson
Fitz--ko'd by Johnson
Jeffries--Ko'd Jackson, Ko'd by Johnson
Hart--decisioned Johnson
Burns--lost to Johnson
Willard--ko'd Johnson
Schmeling--ko'd by Gains, split ko's with Louis
Sharkey--Defeated Wills and Godfrey. Ko'd by Louis.
Carnera--Won from Godfrey on foul. Lost to Gains. Ko'd by Louis.
Baer--ko'd by Louis
Braddock--ko'd by Louis
Marciano--ko'd Louis, Walcott twice, decisioned Charles, ko'd Charles.
Patterson--ko'd by Ingo. ko'd Ingo twice.

I get 13-12-1 for the white champions.

I guess one could dispute who were the top black fighters. Gains and Godfrey cancel each other out 2-2.

There are plenty of arguments about this guy or that guy being old. Fitz and Jeff to Johnson, and Sharkey to Louis were old. Schmeling was a tyro when beaten by Gains.

Jackson to Jeff, Wills to Sharkey, and Louis to Marciano, were old.

I think it kind of evens out. They appear to be pretty evenly matched.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:37 PM   #20
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Where are McVey, Jeannette, and Langford in that picture?
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:41 PM   #21
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Great responces so far i knew i came to the right place
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Old 09-27-2011, 08:13 PM   #22
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Where are McVey, Jeannette, and Langford in that picture?
None of them fought a white champion.

The champion who actually ducked them in their primes was Johnson.
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Old 09-28-2011, 09:36 AM   #23
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For the sake of the question say this colour line remained until Louis retired and Charles and Walcott fought and Marciano went on to beat Walcott.

How would the face of Heavyweight boxing changed. Who would have beat Jackson and beaten him and beaten him. Would Jefferies been able to bring the title back to the white race or Dempsey or Fitzsimmons.



If the color line remains in place up until Marciano, obviously Fitz, Jeffries and Dempsey don't get their shots !
I mean, they'd be bloody old or dead by the 1950s !
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Old 09-28-2011, 09:43 AM   #24
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In fairness, he was passed as having to many dependants to go to war. Of course, people with more did go...and people with fewer responsibilities probably took advantage of the rule to duck. Go figure.
Agree. Dempsey could have gone if he had wanted to. He would have been an idiot not to dodge the draft though. He was just coming to the peak of his powers and on the brink of the riches of the title. It's pretty easy to figure out why he didn't go - and "providing for his family" isn't the answer, IMO.
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:39 PM   #25
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Dempsey would have fought Greb 29 times
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