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Old 10-07-2011, 08:32 AM   #46
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Froch won against Johnson and Abraham and it was away fights. But I agree that hometown advantage is an advantage
There has only been one fight in the S6 where one could say the hometown fighter lost... and that is Johnson!

Abrahm-Froch was in Finland.... neutral place.

So the only one who managed to lose at home..... during the entire S6 tournament ... was Johnson.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:33 AM   #47
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Ok I'll re-do:
Ward was considered a green but talented prospect.

He won against the best SMW of the time in Kessler.

So even if you dont have the best resume out there, or even if you are the underdog dont means that the fight is an easy one.
Johnson is not green and unknown... with perhaps unlimited potential...

He is the opposite... we have all seen his limits many times.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:34 AM   #48
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It's so much more complicated than that. His career is so long that saying that we can say its not a great win. But I will say this: he did win against RJJ one of the best SMW of all time...
He won at LHW, not SMW.

Johnsons resume at SMW is horrible.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:37 AM   #49
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When judging the outcome of Bute's fight with Johnson, we must all remember that prime Johnson was outclassed by Sven Ottke.

Just to put things into perspective.
When judging the outcome of Kessler's fight with Stieglitz, we must all remember that Stieglitz was knocked out in 8th by Andrade and in 3th by Berrio.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:44 AM   #50
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He won at LHW, not SMW.

Johnsons resume at SMW is horrible.
Well, I dont disagree with you, the difference is its not because one's resume in one weight class is not stellar that he is not good, if he have a good resume on other weight class.

There's Abraham of this world that cant seem to change weight class and stay competitive.

But theres a lot of names that change and was good competition. Hopkins, Calzaghe, RJJ before he went to HW, Martinez, Mayweather, etc etc etc.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:46 AM   #51
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When judging the outcome of Kessler's fight with Stieglitz, we must all remember that Stieglitz was knocked out in 8th by Andrade and in 3th by Berrio.
I always try to argue on the positive side (naming Johnson good wins) than the negative side as you did, but if it works better, its all good!
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:48 AM   #52
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There has only been one fight in the S6 where one could say the hometown fighter lost... and that is Johnson!

Abrahm-Froch was in Finland.... neutral place.

So the only one who managed to lose at home..... during the entire S6 tournament ... was Johnson.
As I said, I agree with you on this, and it's why Froch path is so good and it's why so many people question Ward's path.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:50 AM   #53
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Johnson is not green and unknown... with perhaps unlimited potential...

He is the opposite... we have all seen his limits many times.
Lets put it the other way. A lot of people are saying that Bute is untested, well that means that we dont know what will happened.

I'm not one of those and you and Bat are not too if I'm not mistaken. We all know Bute is pretty good, we cant just rank him exactly since he didnt fight top 3 yet.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:55 AM   #54
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Lets put it the other way. A lot of people are saying that Bute is untested, well that means that we dont know what will happened.

I'm not one of those and you and Bat are not too if I'm not mistaken. We all know Bute is pretty good, we cant just rank him exactly since he didnt fight top 3 yet.
He IS Top 3.
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I always try to argue on the positive side (naming Johnson good wins) than the negative side as you did, but if it works better, its all good!
These guys are really simple minded and short-sighted, so you gotta go down to their level of understanding to make them realised they are fatuous fool's.
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:01 AM   #56
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He IS Top 3.
I think that from what he showed us, Bute is top 2, but on resume alone he his no. 4.
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For those who have alzheimer, not to long ago this happend:
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:10 AM   #58
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Bute will have howe town advantage - Froch did not.
Bute never needed the judges and he won't need them this times too , the only contreversy was the ref in the first Andrade fight
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When judging the outcome of Bute's fight with Johnson, we must all remember that prime Johnson was outclassed by Sven Ottke.

Just to put things into perspective.
and an old Jonhson give a close fight to Froch
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When judging the outcome of Kessler's fight with Stieglitz, we must all remember that Stieglitz was knocked out in 8th by Andrade and in 3th by Berrio.
Stieglitz was ill, but yeah. He lost. Stieglitz will be a very good win, but not the best. Only slightly better than Johnson.
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