Atg list, will you put Hopkins higher than Jones if he beats Dawson? - Page 3

Popkins · 10-08-2011, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Jones completely dominated him with 1hand and Hopkins ran from the rematch. Prime Jones is on a complete different level to Hopkins and deep down Hopkins knows it himself. All Hopkins has done is maintained his prime longer

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. That fight was like Calzaghe-Lacy performed by the one-armed man out of Twin Peaks.

lufcrazy · 10-08-2011, 06:31 AM

Definitely. His lhw resume would be pretty impressive also.

By my cards he'd have beaten:

Tarver, wright, calzaghe, pavlik, jones jr, pascal (x2) and dawson. That's two of the best lhw's of the time, two of the best mw's, the best smw and dawson who is the next best lhw out there.

That's a pretty decent top 8 victories at the weight.

bailey · 10-08-2011, 06:38 AM

Its tough to say
I know Jones has had many more LHW fights than Hopkins but Jones LHW resume is still better than Hopkins, even if Hopkins beats Dawson.
Hopkins lost to Calzaghe who was moving up and couldnt beat Pascal at first ask. Besides that people like Pavlik and Wright were a couple of divisions lower.
Jones did beat Gonzalez who became WBO LHW champ, Tarver who became #1 LHW, R Johnson etc.
The reason I find it tough to say is because we know Jones has cheated before

Arstu · 10-08-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Earl-hickey

He's already way Higher

Hopkins has walked the walk against the best his entire career

Jones was a flash in the pan who was carefully matched to look spectacular during his VERY short prime

decade of dominance is very short prime?

EL CABALLO · 10-08-2011, 09:33 AM

Hopkins can lose his next dozen bouts by 1st rd ko and will still be ahead of RJJ in the ATG List!

Imperial1 · 10-08-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Jones completely dominated him with 1hand and Hopkins ran from the rematch. Prime Jones is on a complete different level to Hopkins and deep down Hopkins knows it himself. All Hopkins has done is maintained his prime longer

This . Also the reason he waited for Jones to get old to fight him again ..All he has over Jones is that he's a more successful 40 yr old

rushman · 10-08-2011, 10:43 AM

No.

For me, the ATG list is a pound for pound, prime for prime list.

The best version of RJJ shits all over the best version of Bhop. RJJ wins 1000 out of 1000 fights prime for prime.

We have the HOF for recognising other achievements, such as having a long string of title defences, or being the first to unify a division, or for being the oldest guy to win a legit title.

The HOF are going to bow down to BHop and give him entry on first ballot while calling him 'Sir'. That's right and appropriate.

But on the ATG list? RJJ is a king, and Bhop is a squire.

killuminix · 10-08-2011, 11:19 AM

if he moves up to cruiser and wins a title then beats s6 winner he will equal jones

timagen · 10-08-2011, 12:46 PM

He's already there and has been there in my mind since he made easy work out of Tarver.

JunitoJab · 10-08-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EL CABALLO

Hopkins can lose his next dozen bouts by 1st rd ko and will still be ahead of RJJ in the ATG List!

Sunchild78 · 10-08-2011, 01:01 PM

Hopkins in my opinion already is higher then Jones for several reasons.
1. He's never been KO
2. He's the oldest champ ever in the history of the sport
3. He's beating guys who are 10 years or more, younger then himself.
4. He beat Tarver with ease, who Jones struggle with in three fights
5. He out classed Jones in there second fight.
Should he loose to Dawson he should still be ranked higher then Jones, if he wins it just shows you how much better he is compared to Jones. Against a prime Jones it was a different story, but B hop intellect, conditioning and longevity prevails over Jones youth.

Imperial1 · 10-08-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rushman

No.

For me, the ATG list is a pound for pound, prime for prime list.

The best version of RJJ shits all over the best version of Bhop. RJJ wins 1000 out of 1000 fights prime for prime.

We have the HOF for recognising other achievements, such as having a long string of title defences, or being the first to unify a division, or for being the oldest guy to win a legit title.

The HOF are going to bow down to BHop and give him entry on first ballot while calling him 'Sir'. That's right and appropriate.

But on the ATG list? RJJ is a king, and Bhop is a squire.

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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,722 vCash: 330	Re: Atg list, will you put Hopkins higher than Jones if he beats Dawson? Definitely. His lhw resume would be pretty impressive also. By my cards he'd have beaten: Tarver, wright, calzaghe, pavlik, jones jr, pascal (x2) and dawson. That's two of the best lhw's of the time, two of the best mw's, the best smw and dawson who is the next best lhw out there. That's a pretty decent top 8 victories at the weight.
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10-08-2011, 06:38 AM	#33
bailey Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: England Posts: 11,911 vCash: 75	Re: Atg list, will you put Hopkins higher than Jones if he beats Dawson? Its tough to say I know Jones has had many more LHW fights than Hopkins but Jones LHW resume is still better than Hopkins, even if Hopkins beats Dawson. Hopkins lost to Calzaghe who was moving up and couldnt beat Pascal at first ask. Besides that people like Pavlik and Wright were a couple of divisions lower. Jones did beat Gonzalez who became WBO LHW champ, Tarver who became #1 LHW, R Johnson etc. The reason I find it tough to say is because we know Jones has cheated before
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EL CABALLO Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: THE ISLAND OF "THE CANGRINAGE" Posts: 2,193 vCash: 1000	Re: Atg list, will you put Hopkins higher than Jones if he beats Dawson? Hopkins can lose his next dozen bouts by 1st rd ko and will still be ahead of RJJ in the ATG List!
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rushman Devoid is Devoid East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: putting the sensual into non-consensual Posts: 7,277 vCash: 4619	Re: Atg list, will you put Hopkins higher than Jones if he beats Dawson? No. For me, the ATG list is a pound for pound, prime for prime list. The best version of RJJ shits all over the best version of Bhop. RJJ wins 1000 out of 1000 fights prime for prime. We have the HOF for recognising other achievements, such as having a long string of title defences, or being the first to unify a division, or for being the oldest guy to win a legit title. The HOF are going to bow down to BHop and give him entry on first ballot while calling him 'Sir'. That's right and appropriate. But on the ATG list? RJJ is a king, and Bhop is a squire.
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killuminix yes im back ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: kaunas,lietuva Posts: 1,598 vCash: 75	Re: Atg list, will you put Hopkins higher than Jones if he beats Dawson? if he moves up to cruiser and wins a title then beats s6 winner he will equal jones
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timagen HATER ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,380 vCash: 500	Re: Atg list, will you put Hopkins higher than Jones if he beats Dawson? He's already there and has been there in my mind since he made easy work out of Tarver.
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Sunchild78 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,956 vCash: 1000	Re: Atg list, will you put Hopkins higher than Jones if he beats Dawson? Hopkins in my opinion already is higher then Jones for several reasons. 1. He's never been KO 2. He's the oldest champ ever in the history of the sport 3. He's beating guys who are 10 years or more, younger then himself. 4. He beat Tarver with ease, who Jones struggle with in three fights 5. He out classed Jones in there second fight. Should he loose to Dawson he should still be ranked higher then Jones, if he wins it just shows you how much better he is compared to Jones. Against a prime Jones it was a different story, but B hop intellect, conditioning and longevity prevails over Jones youth.
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