Could Eubank's unique style have given Hopkins big problems?

[TG1]

Originally Posted by HEADBANGER

what didn't you get about what i said about why haglers victory over hearns being far superior to hopkins win over trinidad?

1) hearns is far superior head to head at 160 than trinidad
2) trinidad had already been knocked down 7 times at 140
3) hearns natural size was far more suitable to putting on weight and going up through the divisions than trinidads
4) trinidad went on to show his unsuitablity for fighting at middleweight by getting his head boxed off v winky wright
5) after hagler, hearns went on to win a middleweight title, a title at 168 and a title at 175 showing his undoubted calibre for fighting at heavier weights.

AKA It suits me to hold Hagler's win over Hearns in high regards because I'm a biased prick who doesn't like Bernard Hopkins. Grow up shagger!

[kopejh]

Originally Posted by Wig

Hopkins would have cheated, fouled, timewasted and cried to the ref as Eubank was about the same size as him.

He only beats up on little guys, the maths dont lie...


Alsation IQ + Racist bully + Same size opponent = Fake injury cry to the ref
Alsation IQ + Racist bully + Blown up little guy = Career best wins

hey I notice you throwing around that Alsation IQ on every Hopkins thread. You realize Alsation dogs are some of the smartest dogs? fuking dumbass

[HEADBANGER]

Originally Posted by TG1

AKA It suits me to hold Hagler's win over Hearns in high regards because I'm a biased prick who doesn't like Bernard Hopkins. Grow up shagger!

i've just listed the reasons why it is a superior victory.

in return you offer nothing again

your level of debate in this thread has been appalling

[TG1]

Originally Posted by HEADBANGER

i've just listed the reasons why it is a superior victory.

in return you offer nothing again

your level of debate in this thread has been appalling

Your level of contradiction had been superb

Now

Fuck off

[Auracle21]

Big problems? no. Hopkins was far more skilled and if calzaghe could beat Eubank(albeit a faded and shot Eubank) Hopkins would have been victorious.

[PityTheFool]

Going back to the original question,Eubank's record against average fighters added up to several dull performances,but at his peak he was always upping his game when in with the real dangerous opponents so yes,he'd give Hopkins problems.Probably take 9 or 10 dull rounds to find out though.Can't say for sure if he'd win but he'd give almost anyone problems at his absolute best.

[general zod]

Originally Posted by HEADBANGER

what didn't you get about what i said about why haglers victory over hearns being far superior to hopkins win over trinidad?

1) hearns is far superior head to head at 160 than trinidad
2) trinidad had already been knocked down 7 times at 140
3) hearns natural size was far more suitable to putting on weight and going up through the divisions than trinidads
4) trinidad went on to show his unsuitablity for fighting at middleweight by getting his head boxed off v winky wright
5) after hagler, hearns went on to win a middleweight title, a title at 168 and a title at 175 showing his undoubted calibre for fighting at heavier weights.

Good post

[HEADBANGER]

Originally Posted by TG1

Your level of contradiction had been superb

Now

Fuck off

no it hasn't i have explained everything i have said

you have just blatantly ducked my questions

i actually expected more of you

this is the reason why you've ended up resorting to personal abuse and sweeping statements instead of directly answering points.

i know a beaten egghead when i see one, i've just turned you into a scrambled egg

[SILENCER]

Originally Posted by kopejh

what? why are you not answering my question Gained? answer my question.

i am not gained.

hopkins was so good at promoting himself that for a decade his main claim to fame remained the answer to the trivia question of who Roy outclassed using one arm tied behind his back to win his first title.

Eubank has the worst possible style and personality for hopkins who had quite an active punch output and offensive aggression in his prime. Chrissy would bait hopkins without mercy, and catch him coming in all night just like Roy did.

Eubank was talented enough with enough popularity that he could float around for the bulk of his career with minimal training against mostly inferior opponents for big money compared to the peanuts and chicken bones Poppy was scrapping over. Eubank never realized his full potential of talent because he was always going to be more than mere fighter.

Don't think Chris would be much challenged by a little fighter who hit the canvas like clockwork and could be outboxed, outfoxed, and outworked.

at mw eubank takes this.

in answer to your question though benn is the best gauge we have,though overall he is not as good as hopkins he certainly ranks right up there with hopkins,and he was far more dangerous,i certainly rate watson,malinga,benn,rochigianni,wharton etc over keith holmes,antwun echols,robert allen and oscar at mw.

[hoopsman]

Originally Posted by TG1

Take this quote and put in big letters at the top of the main forum page. It's horseshit like this that gives ESB a bad name. No mention of Trinidad or unifying the whole f*ckin division?

I know I know! Trinidad was a natural welter, that's the official ESB comeback, genius! I take it Aaron Pryor is over rated for having signature wins over Arguello? How about Hagler being over rated for beating up Duran and Hearns?

TOTAL HORSE SHIT!

In answer to the OP. Eubank gives most fighters a nightmare on his A Game but he didn't beat a fighter on Hopkins' level in his entire career.

Superb post.

[TG1]

Originally Posted by HEADBANGER

no it hasn't i have explained everything i have said

you have just blatantly ducked my questions

i actually expected more of you

this is the reason why you've ended up resorting to personal abuse and sweeping statements instead of directly answering points.

i know a beaten egghead when i see one, i've just turned you into a scrambled egg

When you consistently use weight as an issue to downplay Hopkins' achievements and then suck off Hagler for having a win over a naturally smaller man I can't take you seriously.

I don't give a fuck what spin you put on Hearns as an opponent. He came from a lighter weight class, so use the same logic. If you want to credit Hagler for that win, then give Hopkins credit for Tito.

Trinidad was THE FAVORITE going in against Hopkins. That's how convinced the establishment was of the Monday morning quarterback bullshit you're spouting now.

Your train of thought is built on hate and I tore you to bits with easy logic. I can't help it if you won't accept that!

[TG1]

Originally Posted by SILENCER

i am not gained.

hopkins was so good at promoting himself that for a decade his main claim to fame remained the answer to the trivia question of who Roy outclassed using one arm tied behind his back to win his first title.

Eubank has the worst possible style and personality for hopkins who had quite an active punch output and offensive aggression in his prime. Chrissy would bait hopkins without mercy, and catch him coming in all night just like Roy did.

Eubank was talented enough with enough popularity that he could float around for the bulk of his career with minimal training against mostly inferior opponents for big money compared to the peanuts and chicken bones Poppy was scrapping over. Eubank never realized his full potential of talent because he was always going to be more than mere fighter.

Don't think Chris would be much challenged by a little fighter who hit the canvas like clockwork and could be outboxed, outfoxed, and outworked.

at mw eubank takes this.

in answer to your question though benn is the best gauge we have,though overall he is not as good as hopkins he certainly ranks right up there with hopkins,and he was far more dangerous,i certainly rate watson,malinga,benn,rochigianni,wharton etc over keith holmes,antwun echols,robert allen and oscar at mw.

I'm a HUGE Eubank fan but I find it amazing that he is being painted up as a grim reaper, when he failed to match up against so many big names.

No Roy Jones, no James Toney, no Michael Nunn, no Gerald McClellan, no Iran Barkley, no Sambu Kalambay, no Mike McCallum, no Julian Jackson.

Benn at least chased down some real danger men. Eubank played it safe for most of his career and admitted to using the sport for money.

It shows how much hate there is for Hopkins when Chris is being touted as a guy who would have kicked his ass with virtually ZERO foundation to rely on.

SAD AS FUCK!

[The Dreamweaver]

Originally Posted by TG1

When you consistently use weight as an issue to downplay Hopkins' achievements and then suck off Hagler for having a win over a naturally smaller man I can't take you seriously.

I don't give a fuck what spin you put on Hearns as an opponent. He came from a lighter weight class, so use the same logic. If you want to credit Hagler for that win, then give Hopkins credit for Tito.

Trinidad was THE FAVORITE going in against Hopkins. That's how convinced the establishment was of the Monday morning quarterback bullshit you're spouting now.

Your train of thought is built on hate and I tore you to bits with easy logic. I can't help it if you won't accept that!

Not interested in your argument, but Hearns was a bonfied MW and had been operating at MW for years before he met Hagler.

[rayrobinson]

Originally Posted by TG1

Do you want to know what the weather was like in LA for Vargas vs. Mayorga, or in Vegas for De la Hoya vs. Mayweather, Mayweather vs. Mosley or Hatton vs. Pacquiao? How about Hatton vs. Tzsyu?

This is silly shit to try with me mate. Can't remember Manchester for Lacy but Cardiff was FUCKIN FREEZING.

Try something else!

See I was at both fights and it something I say to people who I dont believe went.

It was fucking boiling in Cardiff all day, we couldnt believe it for a November , I have pictures of me and the boys all day in the Bay area.

Was it under cover or open at the Millienium stadium?

[kopejh]

Originally Posted by SILENCER

i am not gained.

hopkins was so good at promoting himself that for a decade his main claim to fame remained the answer to the trivia question of who Roy outclassed using one arm tied behind his back to win his first title.

Eubank has the worst possible style and personality for hopkins who had quite an active punch output and offensive aggression in his prime. Chrissy would bait hopkins without mercy, and catch him coming in all night just like Roy did.

Eubank was talented enough with enough popularity that he could float around for the bulk of his career with minimal training against mostly inferior opponents for big money compared to the peanuts and chicken bones Poppy was scrapping over. Eubank never realized his full potential of talent because he was always going to be more than mere fighter.

Don't think Chris would be much challenged by a little fighter who hit the canvas like clockwork and could be outboxed, outfoxed, and outworked.

at mw eubank takes this.

in answer to your question though benn is the best gauge we have,though overall he is not as good as hopkins he certainly ranks right up there with hopkins,and he was far more dangerous,i certainly rate watson,malinga,benn,rochigianni,wharton etc over keith holmes,antwun echols,robert allen and oscar at mw.

Eubank had the worst possible style for Hopkins? Eubank would bait Hopkins all night long?



do you understand what is going on when you watch a fight? you dumbfuck.

where the fuk do you get off making these blanket statements?

Eubank was sloppy and awkward when he couldn't fight at his pace. he would be stumbling around the ring reaching in with his half-assed combinations and wide right hands. Hopkins would be setting the rhythm here and he'd be the one capitalizing on Eubank's inconsistency and sloppiness.

as for Eubank baiting Hopkins, that is fuking laughable. Hopkins is far trickier than Eubank ever was. even if Eubank did "bait him all night long" (whatever the fuck that means) Hopkins is compact and tight enough with his technique that he'd not be caught "coming in all night" you dumbfuck. how dare you compare RJJ to Eubank?

STFU and gtfo. I have wasted my time arguing with you.