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Old 10-30-2011, 02:48 PM   #31
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No he did not bring it up later. He wanted that from the start and there is proof of that. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] 5:39
Again...that's still after the hatton fight. When floyd came back from retirement, pac-hatton literally started the next day. Not a single person mentioned PEDS...not even floyd....then boom, hatton gets KO in the 2nd and Sr. was obviously butthurt. The only way to rationalize it is used the drug alibi....Now Jr. finally find THE PERFECT alibi....there you go. I'll admit he can still school PED-up Pac, but his excuse went from "he is too small and a Morales leftover" to "he's no calling me out" and "a PED user." That's a sure sign of doubt.

I don't think Floyd is coward, he's just jealous, and a bit doubtful. The drug testing is his way of saying drop down on your knees and kiss my feet...pac doesn't one any of those.
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Old 10-30-2011, 02:49 PM   #32
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A neutral stance, from someone who doesn't give a FF:

1: Pac is almost definitely on PEDS. You don't need a blood test to realize this.

2: Mayweather is definitely afraid to fight him. Only an idiot wouldn't realize this by now. - And PEDS should not be an issue if Floyd wants to go out with respect.

3: If they actually ever fight (I doubt it) Manny would destroy Floyd.

The end.
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Old 10-30-2011, 02:50 PM   #33
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I agree and hopefully they actually negotiate.
not bypassing jmm fans of course. but don't we all want pac-floyd next?
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Old 10-30-2011, 02:58 PM   #34
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lol people will only see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. proof is right in front of their face yet they go back to the same old tired bull****
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:01 PM   #35
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ok i honestly didnt see that before, i thought you are going to show a copy of contract.

did you even watch your own video? roach said "i heard ....blah"
what does it mean? he wasnt part of the team pac's negotiating panel. he was clearlyt expressing an opinion about what he heard.
did i missed anything?
" I said sure, give him whatever he wants" Freddie Roach. Who the **** do you think Roach was saying sure to? Arum or Koncz
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:11 PM   #36
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Floyd doesn't need Manny, Manny doesn't need Floyd. Who can blame them? Pacquiao is getting a ****load of money fighting Marquez at a stupid catchweight, Floyd is making millions fighting Ortiz, who was, and always will be a level below him. What's the point in both risking their huge market value to fight each other? The fight was much bigger in 2009, people got bored, particularly casual fans, so let's move on and not have every other thread on the site about why it hasn't happened. I don't think either of them want the fight.
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:13 PM   #37
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Floyd doesn't need Manny, Manny doesn't need Floyd.
I agree with that second part. - but Floyd sure DOES need Manny. His legacy will be forever tainted (SEVERELY tainted) if they don't fight. He might make it to the hall of fame, but with a huge asterisk.

Pac's legacy is secure. In the Pac universe, Floyd is almost irrelevant.
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:15 PM   #38
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I agree with that second part. - but Floyd sure DOES need Manny. His legacy will be forever tainted (SEVERELY tainted) if they don't fight. He might make it to the hall of fame, but with a huge asterisk.

Pac's legacy is secure. In the Pac universe, Floyd is almost irrelevant.
Legacy don't pay the bills. "Money Mayweather"
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:17 PM   #39
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I did hear Mayweather say out of his mouth that Pac was next. I like Floyd in a fight with Pac, so Im not neutral but that is what he said. Ill reserve my judgement untill after the JMM fight.
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:20 PM   #40
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Legacy don't pay the bills. "Money Mayweather"
This. Floyd cares more about money than his legacy, and his number 1 priority is himself. So in that sense, he doesn't need Manny. Floyd's resume speaks for itself, it might be tarnished without Manny, but it's a really, really good resume with or without him.
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Old 10-30-2011, 04:54 PM   #41
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Regardless of who would win, both would be facing the best fighter they ever fought should they match up. I think Floyd is terrified of losing that 0 though, and of course Pac has no such worries.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:04 PM   #42
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But why oh please convince me 14 days was good enough before but not now? Saying because Floyd changed his mind is not a valid reason.
Because Manny and team made a fool of Floyd. Floyd bent over backwards to make the fight, he accepted every demand, even agreed to go to the mediator, only to have Manny and team pull out and sign the Clottey fight leaving Floyd with no opponent, not giving a **** about Floyd and his situation, even though they had agreed to testing prior to negotiations. Floyd took their word at face value and they burned him. He stated his new position, went on to beat the champ, and hasn't looked back.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:12 PM   #43
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What Im hearing from people is that Floyd is terrified of losing his 0 and Manny is terrified of letting his country down. WTF
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:14 PM   #44
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There is nothing neutral about saying Floyd doesn't want the fight if they've really been following everything that's gone on. I don't care if you like or hate floyd, like or hate pac. If there was any side that was doing things that suggest that they don't want the fight, it would Pac's camp. This isn't even about whether you believe Pac is on something or not or whether you think Floyd is justified in making it an issue or not. the fact is, Floyd has been FAR more consistent on the issue than Pac has. The only he changes he made happened near the beginning of the negotiations and they were in an effort to make the fight more likely.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:20 PM   #45
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lets just say the video isnt altered or anything, and lets pretend that vvideos are admissible in court:


note:the video started with white words written "TEAM PACQUIAO;S LIES EXPOSED", . obviously, the introduction was inserted so the voice of the interviewer wont be heard, so we dont know what was asked.

1. do you agree that roach is not part of negotiating panel aand was expressing an opinion here according to what the insterviewer ask him which we dont hear? ("i heard... blah...blah"

2. the words in the video are paraphrase. they are not exact translation of what roach said. do you agree?

3. i did not hear "I said sure, give him whatever he wants", are you paraphrasing here>?


note: voiceover, inserted to cover the next question of interviewer.
4."they want an olympic style of drug testing, AND I (NOT WE AS WRITTEN IN THE VIDEO) said, yeah no problem", is this waht roach said in the video, do you agree?

5. then the video cuts to roach and pac walking, "THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE, OR STAY WHERE YOU ARE" (not WHATEVER YOU WANT as written in the video)... do you agree?
note:roach is wearing read shirt here, white in first video. obviously this video is inserted to cover another question by the interviewer.

6. video cuts back to roach in white shirt. "since we accepted that, now they are running scared again". is this correct?

since the question was oviously covered (by the inserted video of pac and roach walking), we dont know what was asked for sure.


DAMN, THE VIDEO IS ALTERED AS ****ED, I CANT BELIEVE I WASTED THIS MUCH TIME. THIS IS THE ****ING PROOF THAT TEAM PAC AGREED TO FULL RANDOM INITIALLY?
Manny Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, on Friday said Floyd Mayweather's camp "wants Olympic-style drug testing" for the March 13 matchup between the sports' two best boxers -- something Roach said he has "no problem" with in an interview with Elie Seckbach of FanHouse.

Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, said Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 knockouts) also would welcome such a procedure when reached Saturday in the Philippines, where he is with the seven-division world champion.

"Our reaction is, 'So what?' We know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything. And none of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything," said Koncz.

"I'm here with Manny, and to him, it's like a joke. It's a laughing matter," said Koncz. "It's something foolish anyway. Why would we be concerned? We know he doesn't do any of that s**t."
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