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Old 10-31-2011, 05:27 AM   #16
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To the layman, he may not have any weaknesses. to an observant eye, he has them like everyone else. People want to know how Pac can beat Floyd, right? Here is it:

1. When Floyd gets hurt, he shells up and falls into the ropes. It's not even an opinion, it's a FACT. He instinctively falls into the ropes and stays on defense until the storm is over. Examples: When Corley stunned Mayweather. When Mosley hurt Mayweather twice in the 2nd round. When Ortiz hurt Mayweather with a right hook before the headbutt. He cannot fight his natural instinct and this is where he is inferior to JMM. Against Pac, this will be his downfall. If Pac hurts him, and Pac will hurt him at some point, Floyd is going to back peddle into the ropes like he normally does and Pac will continue to punish him and possible knock him down/out.
In case you haven't noticed, FMJ's defense sets up his offense. When he's on the ropes, he makes his opponent miss badly which saps the guy's energy. There's a reason why Vic threw the headbutt - it's because he couldn't land a clean shot even though Floyd was on the ropes. That's a fact. I know Pac has epic stamina but he gets frustrated when he misses a lot which can be seen in his fight against Mosley and certain parts in the Cotto match. If MP had a hard time against Mosley's AVERAGE defense, how's he gonna solve the Mayweather puzzle?

2. Against a southpaw, a conventional fighter have a much harder time seeing punches coming and sometimes falls into punches he normally wouldn't see. They're also more open to the right hand because they're usually too busy looking for the straight left. Examples: Judah's KD of Mayweather and Ortiz's right hook that stunned Mayweather before the headbutt. Corley's straight left that stunned Mayweather.
There isn't ONE pro fighter on this planet who does NOT get hit cleanly a few times in a match. Nobody is telling you Mayweather is perfect so get that idea out of your head. Getting hit comes with the territory. The real challenge is to win at least 7 rds against him. Pac has the ability to do that. But they said the same thing about 41 fighters who have faced FMJ. It's not impossible to defeat him. But I guarantee you it won't be easy.

3. The Philly shell is less effective against a southpaw. Against southpaws, Floyd's defense becomes more conventional, taking away many of it's strengths. Watch all his fights against southpaws and you'll see the he used the shoulder roll a lot less, he stands up a bit straighter and squares up a bit more. When a fighter rolls his shoulder to avoid a right hand from an orthodox fighter, he's changing angle and using his shoulder to take some steam off of the punch. If he tries that against a southpaw, the roll becomes more like a straight line backwards and there is no shoulder to block the punch. You know what they say, never go back in a straight line. When was the last time you saw Floyd really struggle against a southpaw? Please don't bring up Corley, Zab, and Ortiz. They all had their moments but they were all dominated. When a southpaw wins 6 rds or more against Floyd then I'll start taking you seriously. And do you really think Floyd is going to move back in a straight line? You're insulting his ring intelligence. He's going to DUCK the straight left or block it or swat it away with his glove. He might land a straight right before his opponent can even begin to throw his shot. There's also the option of clinching as a way to limit a fighter's punch output.

4. Floyd's defense is not as impeccable as it seems. He got hurt badly against Mosley. Pac didn't. He got stunned by Ortiz a couple times. He does get hit flush and when he does, he gets stunned. Factually speaking, he's gotten more hurt in the last 5 fights than Pac has, even though Pac has faced better competition overall. Does Floyd have a suspect chin? It's possible.
Aren't you being nit-picky? Even the great ones gets stunned. It's how you respond to adversity that really matters. Pac was stunned by Cotto - don't remember which round it was but it nearly caused a KD. Pac was in trouble at one point in the fight against Margarito when a body shot was landed. MP even admitted after the fight he was on the brink of getting knocked down. Even if Floyd gets hurt his recovery time is excellent so there's really no point in questioning his chin strength.

There you have it. You can either put your head in the sand or see that he has weaknesses. Some fighters has only been able to take advantage of it in spots, but none of them have all the tools to take it further. Can Pac? He has the tools to take advantages of those weaknesses. The only thing left is both names on a contract.
I wouldn't call those aforementioned aspects weaknesses. They're more along the lines of mistakes which all fighters make. The great ones make less mistakes than others. Falling into the ropes is more of a trap being set up than a flaw or at least in FMJ's case it is. I don't think Ortiz had Floyd hurt at any point in the fight. The right hook bothered him but didn't stun him. Prior to fighting Floyd, Vic had knocked down almost every single opponent he faced. Didn't even come close to doing it against FMJ.
Think about it.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:52 AM   #17
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To the layman, he may not have any weaknesses. to an observant eye, he has them like everyone else. People want to know how Pac can beat Floyd, right? Here is it:

1. When Floyd gets hurt, he shells up and falls into the ropes. It's not even an opinion, it's a FACT. He instinctively falls into the ropes and stays on defense until the storm is over. Examples: When Corley stunned Mayweather. When Mosley hurt Mayweather twice in the 2nd round. When Ortiz hurt Mayweather with a right hook before the headbutt. He cannot fight his natural instinct and this is where he is inferior to JMM. Against Pac, this will be his downfall. If Pac hurts him, and Pac will hurt him at some point, Floyd is going to back peddle into the ropes like he normally does and Pac will continue to punish him and possible knock him down/out.

2. Against a southpaw, a conventional fighter have a much harder time seeing punches coming and sometimes falls into punches he normally wouldn't see. They're also more open to the right hand because they're usually too busy looking for the straight left. Examples: Judah's KD of Mayweather and Ortiz's right hook that stunned Mayweather before the headbutt. Corley's straight left that stunned Mayweather.

3. The Philly shell is less effective against a southpaw. Against southpaws, Floyd's defense becomes more conventional, taking away many of it's strengths. Watch all his fights against southpaws and you'll see the he used the shoulder roll a lot less, he stands up a bit straighter and squares up a bit more. When a fighter rolls his shoulder to avoid a right hand from an orthodox fighter, he's changing angle and using his shoulder to take some steam off of the punch. If he tries that against a southpaw, the roll becomes more like a straight line backwards and there is no shoulder to block the punch. You know what they say, never go back in a straight line.

4. Floyd's defense is not as impeccable as it seems. He got hurt badly against Mosley. Pac didn't. He got stunned by Ortiz a couple times. He does get hit flush and when he does, he gets stunned. Factually speaking, he's gotten more hurt in the last 5 fights than Pac has, even though Pac has faced better competition overall. Does Floyd have a suspect chin? It's possible.

There you have it. You can either put your head in the sand or see that he has weaknesses. Some fighters has only been able to take advantage of it in spots, but none of them have all the tools to take it further. Can Pac? He has the tools to take advantages of those weaknesses. The only thing left is both names on a contract.
No, no all wrong. Floyd kicks the shit out of Pac, Superman, Vitali in one night. Floyd has no kryptonite, he cannot be defeated. His record is unblemished and deserves consideration alongside Paul Spadfora's....
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:09 AM   #18
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To the layman, he may not have any weaknesses. to an observant eye, he has them like everyone else. People want to know how Pac can beat Floyd, right? Here is it:

1. When Floyd gets hurt, he shells up and falls into the ropes. It's not even an opinion, it's a FACT. He instinctively falls into the ropes and stays on defense until the storm is over. Examples: When Corley stunned Mayweather. When Mosley hurt Mayweather twice in the 2nd round. When Ortiz hurt Mayweather with a right hook before the headbutt. He cannot fight his natural instinct and this is where he is inferior to JMM. Against Pac, this will be his downfall. If Pac hurts him, and Pac will hurt him at some point, Floyd is going to back peddle into the ropes like he normally does and Pac will continue to punish him and possible knock him down/out.
I don't see how this is a weakness? Mayweather is very, very good at weathering a storm, he is excellent at tying up his opponents offense if he is hurt. Again, weakness? No. It is smart. He gets his senses back and then fights back. If you wanted to point out a weakness of Mayweather's concerning the ropes, it is that he routinely, and willingly goes back in a straight line to the ropes when under attack.

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2. Against a southpaw, a conventional fighter have a much harder time seeing punches coming and sometimes falls into punches he normally wouldn't see. They're also more open to the right hand because they're usually too busy looking for the straight left. Examples: Judah's KD of Mayweather and Ortiz's right hook that stunned Mayweather before the headbutt. Corley's straight left that stunned Mayweather.
Against Pacquiao, the southpaw stance is not the main thing to worry about. Southpaws are unorthodox, but Pacquiao is an unorthodox southpaw. Like I said, the southpaw stance is not the main threat to Mayweather, Pacquiao possesses other threats that Mayweather needs to worry about...is the stance a factor? Yes, but not as much as some people seem to think.

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3. The Philly shell is less effective against a southpaw. Against southpaws, Floyd's defense becomes more conventional, taking away many of it's strengths. Watch all his fights against southpaws and you'll see the he used the shoulder roll a lot less, he stands up a bit straighter and squares up a bit more. When a fighter rolls his shoulder to avoid a right hand from an orthodox fighter, he's changing angle and using his shoulder to take some steam off of the punch. If he tries that against a southpaw, the roll becomes more like a straight line backwards and there is no shoulder to block the punch. You know what they say, never go back in a straight line.
He used it now and again vs Ortiz, but I wouldn't advise him to use it against Pacquiao.

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4. Floyd's defense is not as impeccable as it seems. He got hurt badly against Mosley. Pac didn't. He got stunned by Ortiz a couple times. He does get hit flush and when he does, he gets stunned. Factually speaking, he's gotten more hurt in the last 5 fights than Pac has, even though Pac has faced better competition overall. Does Floyd have a suspect chin? It's possible.
Boxers get hit, I don't really see that as a weakness. No boxer in history has avoided every punch.

He was hurt badly against Mosley, but he also took some pretty flush shots from him in the latter rounds.

Lets be honest, he wasn't stunned against Ortiz whatsoever. Going backwards in a straight line (like he always does) whilst rolling shots (Ortiz landed about 2 clean punches) does not make you stunned.

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There you have it. You can either put your head in the sand or see that he has weaknesses. Some fighters has only been able to take advantage of it in spots, but none of them have all the tools to take it further. Can Pac? He has the tools to take advantages of those weaknesses. The only thing left is both names on a contract.
Every boxer has weaknesses. Can Pacquiao win? Yes.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:21 AM   #19
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The three punches that work well against PBF:
1. Jab
2. Overhand right
3. Right to the body

Pacquiao is not very good at those 3 = probably will lose.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:25 AM   #20
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Think about it.
Yah, think why Floyd jr needs to "even the playing field"... Because Floyd jr knows that his skills is not level with Pac...
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Old 10-31-2011, 07:06 AM   #21
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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiuAgciLY_o[/ame]

Here Donaire demonstrates how the southpaw stance will give mayweather problems.
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Old 10-31-2011, 07:06 AM   #22
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Just wanted to post here, just so I can BUMP the hell out of this later!!!
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Old 10-31-2011, 07:35 AM   #23
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to answer the question, i would venture to say floyd's weakness would be his chin. but he has shielded it really well, wiht his reflexes and his defense. so one could argue, he has virtually no weakness/es. his power is underrated, so i wont say its a weaknesses. xylocaine and long layoffs has solved/cured his brittle hands.

but he has openings, because he cant cover everything with his 2 hands. if there is one that can break that openings wide open, it must pac, but we will only know that during the actual fight.

martinez has a high chance of breaking that opening because of his size and length and being southpaw.
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