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Old 07-13-2011, 09:49 AM   #31
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Joe was half or more blind in his right eye too, from before....so he was blind in both eyes during that fight.

It took a long time for that to come out.

When Ali was broke when he was stripped, Joe supported him, which is why Ali hated him.

Joe at least kept most of his money.

Bought a nice wooden two story house not a millionair's mansion.
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:58 AM   #32
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Those who say that Ali wouldn't have come out for the 15th or would have collapsed in the 15th round are delusional. Ali had a will of iron, just as Frazier had. Never would Ali have quit, I think he was ready to die in there, just as Frazier was. Ali would have come out for the 15th round, and he would have pounded on the half-blind Frazier again, no matter how exhausted he would have been.
Eddie Futch did the right thing and stopped the madness - this was 'just' a boxing fight after all.
I agree 100%. Ali wanted to continue in the Holmes fight and that fight was just as worse. Like I said Ali was ahead by 4 or 5 points headed into the last round on all 3 judges scorecards.
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Those who say that Ali wouldn't have come out for the 15th or would have collapsed in the 15th round are delusional. Ali had a will of iron, just as Frazier had. Never would Ali have quit, I think he was ready to die in there, just as Frazier was. Ali would have come out for the 15th round, and he would have pounded on the half-blind Frazier again, no matter how exhausted he would have been.
Eddie Futch did the right thing and stopped the madness - this was 'just' a boxing fight after all.
Spot on

There were no losers in Manila that night. Just too warriors who gave all they had.
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:52 PM   #34
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Great read
Joe Frazier was truly cut from different cloth
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:25 PM   #35
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Futch did the right thing, there was no need for joe to take more punishment, I think if it would have gone on both would have made it to the end and ali would have wona decision.
Frazier wasnt going to stop Ali and there is no way in hell Ali would quit.
I dont believe all those stories about whats said between rounds especially about Ali quitting.
One of the most brutal fights and the best rivalry in boxing history.

It is true....Dundee nearly called the fight over as he didn't want Ali to continue the physical damage late in the fight.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:27 PM   #36
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I've heard Gil Clancy opine that Futch should have let Frazier go out for the final round,given how exhausted Ali was.

Personally,I think despite collapsing after the fight,Ali would have managed to last another three minutes.I also believe that Frazier would have taken a beating,but the fight have done the distance. Maybe,long-term Joe may have found this psychologically easier to accept and retired then and there.

But if we take the fight in isolation,it probably was the correct call.Frazier had already lost and he was not capable of doing anything that would change this fact.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:34 PM   #37
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Great post and a really fascinating read. I understand some of the points put forward about letting Frazier go out for the last round. I guess it depends on your view of towards what a trainer should prioritise - the somewhat animalistic instict of a fighter to keep going no matter what, or concern for a human life. Whilst the bond between a trainer and fighter is vitally important, and trust a core part of that, I think any life is too valuable to gamble with in a case like Ali - Frazier III and Futch made the right call in challenging circumstances.
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That was a nice post,OP.
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That was a nice post,OP.
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And thanks to all the posters who liked my thread
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:32 PM   #40
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Bumping up for the Joe fans who missed this thread
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:42 PM   #41
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Old 11-09-2011, 01:49 PM   #42
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Such a sad story!

I do not believe for one second that Ali would not have come out for the 15th.

Ali is made of stuff that few people can comprehend.....look at what he ultimately sacrificed to beat Foreman?

Frazier was a warrior and I loved watching him! R.I.P
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Incredible read. Thank you for sharing it.
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