Great fighters who had problems with lesser opponents - Page 4

lufcrazy · 11-14-2011, 02:56 PM

A great fighter is the best at any given point in a division. Probably 40 or so for each weight class

GPater11093 · 11-14-2011, 03:01 PM

Is Thomas Hearns a great Welterweight?

BTW your taste in whiskey is good, got a bottle of Teachers just now, gets quite sickly though.

PowerPuncher · 11-14-2011, 04:02 PM

I really don't like some of these examples. Marquez is arguably greater than Pacquaio, I consider him the better man. Forrest was an outright better boxer than Mosley. Junior Jones 2 weight champ, wins over numerous world champs, incredible talent held back by a tendency to brawl combined while being a tad chinny.

lufcrazy · 11-14-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GPater11093

Is Thomas Hearns a great Welterweight?

BTW your taste in whiskey is good, got a bottle of Teachers just now, gets quite sickly though.

I haven't analysed the welterweights in enough detail to give a solid answer.

I love the teacher's, I think the taste is nice and the burn is minimal. Quality stuff imo. Especially for a regular purchase that's cost effective.

teeto · 11-14-2011, 04:16 PM

Marquez proved that he is ouright better than Pacquiao at this moment in time to me. When Barkley beat Hearns for example, it was clear that Hearns was the better boxer but was up against his bogey man, this was not the same as the Marquez-Pacquiao fight just recently, Marquez is better than him.

Not greater in the grand scheme of things, but now- he is better than him, he knows it, we know it.

lufcrazy · 11-14-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by teeto

Marquez proved that he is ouright better than Pacquiao at this moment in time to me. When Barkley beat Hearns for example, it was clear that Hearns was the better boxer but was up against his bogey man, this was not the same as the Marquez-Pacquiao fight just recently, Marquez is better than him.

Not greater in the grand scheme of things, but now- he is better than him, he knows it, we know it.

I put them even to be fair. By ten point must I have pac going 2-0-1. By rounds I have pac going 0-1-2.

teeto · 11-14-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I put them even to be fair. By ten point must I have pac going 2-0-1. By rounds I have pac going 0-1-2.

I had JMM winning the first fight on points, I'm going to watch fight 2 again now.

lufcrazy · 11-14-2011, 04:42 PM

I think a valid argument can be made that 142 pound marquez drawing with 144 pound jmm signifies that p4p jmm has a slight edge.

I had the rematch 6 rounds each with pac getting the nod by way of knockdown.

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GPater11093 Barry East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 26,118 vCash: 836	Re: Great fighters who had problems with lesser opponents Is Thomas Hearns a great Welterweight? BTW your taste in whiskey is good, got a bottle of Teachers just now, gets quite sickly though.
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PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,740 vCash: 1000	Re: Great fighters who had problems with lesser opponents I really don't like some of these examples. Marquez is arguably greater than Pacquaio, I consider him the better man. Forrest was an outright better boxer than Mosley. Junior Jones 2 weight champ, wins over numerous world champs, incredible talent held back by a tendency to brawl combined while being a tad chinny.
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teeto Next Level Predictions East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Team Ireland Manor, Easing Pabuiao into the life of managing the GOAT Posts: 33,956 vCash: 1000	Re: Great fighters who had problems with lesser opponents Marquez proved that he is ouright better than Pacquiao at this moment in time to me. When Barkley beat Hearns for example, it was clear that Hearns was the better boxer but was up against his bogey man, this was not the same as the Marquez-Pacquiao fight just recently, Marquez is better than him. Not greater in the grand scheme of things, but now- he is better than him, he knows it, we know it.
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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,722 vCash: 330	Re: Great fighters who had problems with lesser opponents I think a valid argument can be made that 142 pound marquez drawing with 144 pound jmm signifies that p4p jmm has a slight edge. I had the rematch 6 rounds each with pac getting the nod by way of knockdown.
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