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Old 08-24-2011, 12:41 PM   #211
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I've never seen a white guy with hair like that. OK sorry mr afro-american.
WArd is a lite skinned afroeuropean american. He'll still get stopped tommorrow night.
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Old 08-24-2011, 12:44 PM   #212
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Ward does not have the jab to trouble Kessler. Calzaghe's jab was effective because he, first of all, changed tactics from round 5 and because he is so good with his feet and he feints very, very good.

Please do not forget that if it wasnt for Calzaghes freaky chin, he would likely have been TKO'ed in round four.

Calzaghe and Ward are not to be compared.


Kessler is a freak.


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Old 08-24-2011, 12:45 PM   #213
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well I can understand why you put that big if in your post to cover yourself in the event Ward loses. However we can't give you any credit if Ward wins either because your post is tentative and makes no true stand. I dropped a grand on Kessler to win 500 because I have the courage of my convictions. Reading the thread and other things you wrote about Froch being a C fighter and Kessler's resume being vastly inferior to Dawson and that bit about how if Kess got disturbed by Zag's allegedly soft jab he is in real trouble, as well as your decription of the events of Zag / Hopkins and your belittling of euros above 160 and thinking Ward and Kessler's resumes are very close, I don't think you are grounded in reality, but rather, rooting for Ward and working backwards from that, and trying to make the facts fit your choice, and with that kind of mentality, its best you stick to posting ambiguous predictions and not actually betting.

In short: Ethnically Uniformed Cheerleaders don't make good, impartial Boxing Analysts

And I say that knowing full well that Ward may win the fight, but it wouldn't be based upon misinterpreting so many things in recent boxing history.....and you haven't really picked him anyways.
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Old 08-24-2011, 12:48 PM   #214
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Come on Danny. You know boxing. An effective jab, to get somebody thinking, needs to serve as a deterrent. It needs to sting. It doesn't have to be like a swing of a 2x4, but it needs to earn respect to be effective. Kessler will most likely not respect Ward's jab.

The issue with Calzaghe that threw off Kessler's offense ("spoiled my boxing", as Kessler put it) was his awkward angles. Ward is slick but he's not a throw-the-textbook-out-the-window type. He puts his pants on one leg at a time like Kessler and learned from the same textbook. He's just fast. That's his only significant edge.

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Actually, nah. This is nowhere near as bad as my expectation upon seeing thread's title and the "you had posts in here" icon. Given what a Kessler nuthugger I am/was it seemed certain there would be some cringeworthy stuff to look back on.

Not so much. I was wrong, but it isn't like I asserted that Ward would get schooled or KTFO ot anything...just that if he did beat Kessler it would be very difficult (wrong) and that his jab likely wouldn't get much traction (wrong).
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Old 08-24-2011, 01:05 PM   #215
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Old 11-20-2011, 03:30 PM   #216
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tKessler was nearly blind when he fought Ward. He wasnt the same fighter when he fought Calzaghe.


A prime Kessler had the jab of Holmes and the right hand of Floyd Mayweather. His left hook would have KO'd a prime Spinks in one shot. He was crushing future hall of famers like Beyer, Mundine and Andrade with EASE!


SOG wouldnt stand a chance in a rematch with the VIking Warrior.
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Old 11-20-2011, 03:42 PM   #217
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tKessler was nearly blind when he fought Ward. He wasnt the same fighter when he fought Calzaghe.


A prime Kessler had the jab of Holmes and the right hand of Floyd Mayweather. His left hook would have KO'd a prime Spinks in one shot. He was crushing future hall of famers like Beyer, Mundine and Andrade with EASE!


SOG wouldnt stand a chance in a rematch with the VIking Warrior.
Is this necessary?


By now most have given Ward his due credit. Just about everyone has him #1 at the weight (except some Canadians...)

Kessler in his prime (which WAS pre-Calzaghe; 2007 was the tail end of it) was in fact a very potent h2h force and at the time one of the best p4p technicians in the sport behind Marquez, PBF and a handful of others.


Nobody is going around hyping up Kessler out of proportion these days; there's no call for smirking straw-man shit like this. Any version of him is probably always going to struggle with the mature S6-and-beyond version of Ward. That doesn't mean he wasn't very good back in the day (and still pretty good now, actually - despite having fallen off considerably).
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Old 11-20-2011, 03:49 PM   #218
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Is this necessary?


By now most have given Ward his due credit. Just about everyone has him #1 at the weight (except some Canadians...)

Kessler in his prime (which WAS pre-Calzaghe; 2007 was the tail end of it) was in fact a very potent h2h force and at the time one of the best p4p technicians in the sport behind Marquez, PBF and a handful of others.


Nobody is going around hyping up Kessler out of proportion these days; there's no call for smirking straw-man shit like this. Any version of him is probably always going to struggle with the mature S6-and-beyond version of Ward. That doesn't mean he wasn't very good back in the day (and still pretty good now, actually - despite having fallen off considerably).
Getting dominated by a prospect certainly screams Marquez, Mayeather, Hopkins level of technical ability.
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Old 11-20-2011, 03:57 PM   #219
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Getting dominated by a prospect certainly screams Marquez, Mayeather, Hopkins level of technical ability.
Prospect? Try contender at that point. Someone who's dominated every top 20 SMW put in front of him and is probably about to dominate (or at least clearly beat) the consensus #2 or 3 guy. Just a bad style for Kessler. Doesn't mean Kessler wasn't good. It's still Andre's best win by far, btw. I'm not sure why you're trying to drag your boy's best opponent to date through the mud. Not doing yourself any favors.

WTF do you want? What is the point of all this childish shit? When will you just be satisfied with people having long since proven wrong about Ward and having pretty much admitted across the board that he's the truth for a long ass minute, and just STFU already?
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:04 PM   #220
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How many GENUINELY believed Ward would beat Kessler ?
I'd hazard a guess that at least half of those who picked Ward,did so because they disliked Kessler and/or his fans,and another percentage because he was American.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:07 PM   #221
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How many GENUINELY believed Ward would beat Kessler ?
I'd hazard a guess that at least half of those who picked Ward,did so because they disliked Kessler and/or his fans,and another percentage because he was American.
Or they were from California, or are the types who always pick the black fighter or American fighter (or both).

I'd say >0.001% of genuinely objective boxing fans tipped Ward back at the start of the Super Six.

He surprised everybody.

We get it. He's good. Best SMW at the moment.

There's no need for MW to keep nitpicking MK.


(oh, and for the record - Ward would have at any point in time EMBARRASSED Michigan's real dog in this race: Dirrell . Even pre-S6.)
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:16 PM   #222
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:31 PM   #223
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Is this necessary?


By now most have given Ward his due credit. Just about everyone has him #1 at the weight (except some Canadians...)

Kessler in his prime (which WAS pre-Calzaghe; 2007 was the tail end of it) was in fact a very potent h2h force and at the time one of the best p4p technicians in the sport behind Marquez, PBF and a handful of others.


Nobody is going around hyping up Kessler out of proportion these days; there's no call for smirking straw-man shit like this. Any version of him is probably always going to struggle with the mature S6-and-beyond version of Ward. That doesn't mean he wasn't very good back in the day (and still pretty good now, actually - despite having fallen off considerably).
Way before the super six started. Many of us in the Brit forum not only picked Ward to beat Kessler, but to be in the final, IB.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:46 PM   #224
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Or they were from California, or are the types who always pick the black fighter or American fighter (or both).

I'd say >0.001% of genuinely objective boxing fans tipped Ward back at the start of the Super Six.

He surprised everybody.

We get it. He's good. Best SMW at the moment.

There's no need for MW to keep nitpicking MK.


(oh, and for the record - Ward would have at any point in time EMBARRASSED Michigan's real dog in this race: Dirrell . Even pre-S6.)
I picked Ward and Dirrell to be the top 2 fighters in the Super Six. I always considered Kessler a hype job with limited offensive ability and no head movement. I was proven right mostly.
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I'd say >0.001% of genuinely objective boxing fans tipped Ward back at the start of the Super Six.
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