When is a fighter past prime?

[phierl]

You don't need to have peak reflexes to be prime. There are other abilities that can make up for reflexes past prime.
The way I think about pre/in/past ,-prime is that a fighter is prime when he is around his highest level when you take everything into account, ie. mindset, experience, physique, skill.

[HeavyT]

Originally Posted by general zod

I have Tyson as green until Berbick
Prime from Berbick to prison
Past prime post prison - ????

Not sure when I can accurately say he was shot

But he was definately finished by the time he fought McBride

ITS hard to say whether he was shot going into the Lewis fight, or post Lewis.

[bailey]

Think this thread has been invented after my fantastic thread on Roy Jones and being shot

[JASPER]

To simply look at reflexes to consider when a fighter is prime is not a great measure. They might be in their physical prime but the might not be at the peak performance at that rime.

ie Bhop might be considered to be prime after his reflexes have slowed a touch because he mastered his craft after that time.

Meldrick Taylor was at his peak going into the JCC 1 fight but went right to shot after that when his reflexes where still not that bad but his punch resistance diminished

Tyson was at his peak physically pre and post Douglas but mentally was starting to deteriorating. I would argue his physical (and mental resolve) peak came to an end with the two wars he had with Razzor.

[JASPER]

Originally Posted by bailey

Think this thread has been invented after my fantastic thread on Roy Jones and being shot

Yes bailey you are the last person in the world that has finally realized that RJJ is shot congrats!

[bailey]

Originally Posted by JASPER

Yes bailey you are the last person in the world that has finally realized that RJJ is shot congrats!

WTF are you going on about. You obviously dont read the threads properly . I have never said Roy ahsnt slipped, but asked a question based on results and facts.

Your comment here

ie Bhop might be considered to be prime after his reflexes have slowed a touch because he mastered his craft after that time.

That must be the same Hopkins that Jones put down with a legal shot that Hopkins had to pretend was behind the head to buy time as he couldnt continue. If the ref had of known the truth that would have been a KO win for (shot) Jones over Hopkins who is now the LHW champ

[Atlanta]

My Chart:

Green: Physical Prime- Skills still developing
Prime: Physical Prime Plus Current Skills equal the greatest this fighter will get.
Past Prime: Physically breaking down, Skills either still there or adapting to fight with decreasing Physical ability
Shot: Skills cannot make up the difference in Physical Ability anymore(i.e. Roy Jones of now.)

[john garfield]

When he can't pull the trigger. Imagine standing on one foot 'n keeping your balance. Ya automatically adjust without thinking. Same goes for an opening. When it's not reflexive, a fighter's shot.

[general zod]

Originally Posted by phierl

You don't need to have peak reflexes to be prime. There are other abilities that can make up for reflexes past prime.
The way I think about pre/in/past ,-prime is that a fighter is prime when he is around his highest level when you take everything into account, ie. mindset, experience, physique, skill.

I disagree. Your reflexes are the 'glue' which holds everything together. You can still be good past prime (see B-hop vs Tito)

[general zod]

Originally Posted by bailey

Think this thread has been invented after my fantastic thread on Roy Jones and being shot

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[general zod]

Originally Posted by HeavyT

ITS hard to say whether he was shot going into the Lewis fight, or post Lewis.

Post Lewis. He lost the will to train hard. Just didnt care anymore at that point. I would class him as very past prime going into the Lewis fight.