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Old 11-12-2011, 05:34 AM   #16
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Default Re: Tale of the Tape: Pacquiao vs. Marquez

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pac can also be called, counter-counter puncher... he sets trap to counter the counter puncher.
Marquez can be considered a puncher too. Guy has underrated power.

Matter of fact, he is a brawler too, he never backs down from a toe to toe.
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:36 AM   #17
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"With all of the muscle that Marquez has put on, I don't think that he's going to be the effective counterpuncher that he used to be. He tells us that he's going to use his increased strength," said Roach.

From the world's best coach himself.
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:31 AM   #18
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Very interesting facts. Look at how even these guys are when it comes to statistics. Not perfectly even but it is the closest we can get from any fighters going against each other.

Pro-debut:
Pacquiao: January 22, 1995
Marquez: May 29, 1993

Record:
Pacquio: 58 (fights), 53 (wins), 38 (KOs)
Marquez: 59 (fights), 53 (wins), 39 (KO's)

Height:
Pacquiao: 5' 6 1/2"
Marquez: 5' 7"

Reach:
Pacquiao: 67"
Marquez: 67"

Weight: (official)
Pacquiao: 143 lbs
Marquez: 142 lbs

After 24 rounds of boxing: (total score from 6 judges)
Pacquiao: 679
Marquez: 678

What makes it more interesting....different fighting styles:
Southpaw vs Orthodox
Boxer Puncher vs. Counter Puncher.

...Now as for the age, I think the way they fight makes up for it. Marquez' defensive awareness preserving his body from beatings. This one is open for agument though.
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Very amazing statistics between the two. This will be an epic trilogy.
3 Title fights in 3 different divisions for 7 years in the making.
bumping my thread....

Unbelievable to see 2 fighters fought each other 3 times in 3 different weight divisions; and the results are, draw, split, and majority decision... no unanimous decision. what a RIVALRIES...
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:46 AM   #19
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Did Marquez take steroids?
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin Henson The Philippine Star Updated November 17, 2011 12:00 AM 6 comments to this post
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LOS ANGELES – There is talk that a disgruntled former member of Juan Manuel Marquez’ team is ready to come out in public and expose the WBC lightweight champion of taking steroids to bulk up for his fight against Manny Pacquiao at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas last weekend.

A source said the ex-member was fired by Marquez, probably for cause, and is out for revenge. He supposedly sneaked into Marquez’ home and took an illegal drug from his refrigerator. The illegal drug is some kind of steroid or performance enhancer.

Marquez, 38, bulked up to 142 pounds to face Pacquiao for the fight that had a catchweight limit of 144. The Mexican also brought his weight up to 142 when he battled Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2009 but couldn’t carry the extra weight and was badly outpointed. He hired Angel (Memo) Heredia, now Hernandez, as his strength and conditioning coach to prepare for his third meeting with Pacquiao.

Heredia, a Texas A&M University graduate, has a dubious reputation and was implicated in a drug scandal where he admitted to supplying track stars Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery with illegal substances. Heredia guaranteed before the Pacquiao fight that Marquez would be too strong for the Filipino and as the bout unfolded, it looked that way. He confessed to providing Jones with a blood-booster, growth hormone and insulin in 2000 at the request of her coach Trevor Graham. Heredia also sold banned drugs to other Olympians, including gold medalists Antonio Pettigrew, Jerome Young and Dennis Mitchell.

Victor Conte, founder of the Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative which distributed anabolic steroids, said Heredia testified as the star witness for the government in exposing drug use in sports and got off the hook because of his cooperation with authorities.

But Heredia insisted he did nothing wrong in building up Marquez’ capacity to put up a stiff challenge to Pacquiao. The Nevada State Boxing Commission administered drug tests on both fighters before and after their bout. So far, no positive finding has been announced.

While Heredia has a history of distributing steroids to athletes, there is no evidence showing any hanky-panky in working with Marquez.

“A go-between has approached certain Filipinos involved in boxing asking if they’re interested to meet this former Team Marquez guy,” said the source. “He claims the steroid came from Marquez’ refrigerator in his house but who’s to know for sure? It could just be a lie to discredit or embarrass Marquez because the guy has an axe to grind and a hidden agenda. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has tests to determine if a fighter is on illegal drugs. So if Marquez doesn’t test positive, there’s no way to link him with this illegal drug supposedly from his refrigerator.”

The former Team Marquez staffer supposedly claims he has proof that the Mexican took steroids to bulk up for the Pacquiao fight. But presenting an illegal drug to the public and saying it came from Marquez’ refrigerator wouldn’t be enough to throw the book at the fighter. A link has to be established to prove usage and without it, any allegation wouldn’t be credible.

Surely, Marquez did something in training camp to beef up and bring his power to the next level. Heredia said it was all scientific training and hard work. Marquez had never looked so strong before. And Pacquiao felt the sting in his punches from the onset. Marquez’ upper body was never as muscular and sculpted.

If Marquez was on drugs, it’s more to Pacquiao’s credit that despite the steroids, the Mexican still couldn’t swing the decision to his favor. Pacquiao didn’t only throw more but also landed more shots.
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