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Old 11-29-2011, 06:07 PM   #31
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Default Re: why does hbo pretend that Martinez has fought the best middleweights????

I said in a thread a while ago that putting martinez even in the top 10 p4p list is laughable people just seem to fall in line like sheep.

I hope the Darren Barker fight opened a lot of peoples eyes about Martinez, he's a good fighter but not top 5 p4p material.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:12 PM   #32
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Chicken little is a little chicken shit, always trying to protect Floyd Jr. Hey blizz, you've said before that Martinez was two divisions atop Floyd, but so was JMM against Floyd. Got that dipshit? You are such a ****in ***** Blizz.
I still dont know who the blizz is. Floyd was bigger than JMM whats your point?
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:16 PM   #33
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I still dont know who the blizz is. Floyd was bigger than JMM whats your point?

Floyd was bigger? Well, stop the press!! You ****in moron Blizz, everyone knows FLoyd was bigger. It was a WW vs. a LW little boy.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:18 PM   #34
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Default Re: why does hbo pretend that Martinez has fought the best middleweights????

Pavlik was the best middleweight at the time Martinez fought him. You beat the best, you are the best.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:20 PM   #35
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Default Re: why does hbo pretend that Martinez has fought the best middleweights????

For the same reason they pretend Pacquaio beat Marquez.I rate Martinez but this thread has reminded me that the division is piss poor compared to days gone by.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:22 PM   #36
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I think they're referring to Pav & PDub when they claim that.

I hope Pirog moves to the US someday. I wonder how long HBO will hold a grudge against him for taking Jacobs out...
Imagine what Pirog would have done to Williams.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:24 PM   #37
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Default Re: why does hbo pretend that Martinez has fought the best middleweights????

He has the opportunity to fight Macklin in MSG on March 17th and he should take this fight instead of chasing fights against WW's that are never going to happen
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Old 11-29-2011, 08:45 PM   #38
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Imagine what Pirog would have done to Williams.


Yeah. Would have picked him apart basically, but maybe couldn't have landed a perfect shot like the left Martinez landed on PWill.

That said, I think Pirog's style is harder to work against than Martinez's.
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:56 PM   #39
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Pavlik was the best middleweight at the time Martinez fought him. You beat the best, you are the best.
first off i am not sure pavlik was the best but even if he was

your saying.

IF YOU BEAT THE BEST, YOU NEVER HAVE TO FIGHT ANY OTHER
TOP FIGHTERS IN YOUR WEIGHTCLASS...

I UNDERSTAND
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:54 AM   #40
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first off i am not sure pavlik was the best but even if he was

your saying.

IF YOU BEAT THE BEST, YOU NEVER HAVE TO FIGHT ANY OTHER
TOP FIGHTERS IN YOUR WEIGHTCLASS...

I UNDERSTAND
you keep sucking on martinez balls but what about pirog, and sturm who the **** are they fighting that are so good...

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Old 11-30-2011, 10:35 AM   #41
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thank you for pointing this out,


2. Felix Sturm
3. Dimitry Pirog
4. Gennady Golovkin
5. Marco Antonio Rubio
6. Daniel Geale
7. Osumanu Adama
8. Grzegorz Proksa
9. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
10. Nobuhiro Ishida
11. Darren Barker
12. Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam
13. Sebastian Zbik
14. Daniel Jacobs
15. David Lemieux
16. Matthew Macklin


fightnews rankings


martinez has only fought number 11 on this list lol

There's no way Martinez would be able to get away with fighting someone like Adama or Ishida. Two of the most qualified challengers on that list are Sturm and Rubio. I'm skeptical Sturm would fight Martinez and Rubio got a shot at Pavlik several years ago and HBO and most of the public wasn't on board with that fight. In fairness I've always thought Rubio was a solid pro and Pavlik should have gotten a bit more credit for that win but, overall, most aren't blown away by him.

There are a number of solid middleweights who would be pretty qualified challengers but most are about one nice win away. Guys like Lee, Pirog, Golovkin, Quillen, Geale, Proska, etc should look to face each other to get a shot at Martinez. It seems like Martinez may face Macklin in March and I'm sure HBO would be willing to put almost any two of those guys against each other on the undercard to set up a future fight with Martinez.

Martinez has had a very nice run at 160 but most of that comes from when he beat Pavlik for the title and then Williams, who was, justifiably, a highly rated middleweight. His last two defenses have been good but a decline from Pavlik and Williams. If he keeps beating guys like Dzinziruk and Barker he'll have a nice but unspetacular reign as champ. Martinez needs a guy or two like Pirog, Lemieux, Quillen, etc to break through and be seen as a serious challenge. I'd say, overall, Martinez has had a nice run but his current pace is going slowly in the wrong direction from where he was.
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