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Old 12-15-2011, 12:09 PM   #16
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it was broken down beautifully with the stopping and wording as the action went on
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:11 PM   #17
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Marquez is truly something.
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:14 PM   #18
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Excellent vid.

This also highlights why JMM is by far the only fighter to ever give Pac that much of trouble.
What he does in the ring is almost relfex action for him after having been such the great technician that he is for the longest time.
This is also why other boxers can't just "copy JMM" (see Mosley) because what he does is a product of years and years of experience.

Now can somebody tell the creator of the video to do the same for Pac?
I mean c'mon, 13mins of video highlighting JMM and 30secs only for Pac's "strengths"?
Really? I thought my man Erik emulated Marquez' style pretty well in the first fight.
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:18 PM   #19
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Oh and for those who say Pac hasn't improved, well, he did whether you like to accept it or not. If he didn't, this version of JMM would have rolled on Pac to a Unanimous Decision but JMM failed to do it. Why? Because JMM was also afraid to engage Pac since Pac was also countering him with the same moves JMM was throwing at him. The feints, the counter right hook when jmm was throwing the lead straight, turning Marquez, etc.

My personal opinion about this vid is that it was great but the creator failed to emphasize on what Pac was able to do to give trouble to JMM. Like what Leon said, the creator did not like Pac therefore making this video biased. Good but biased.
His intentions were to show that Pacquiao's "improvement" was a myth and I think he did a hell of a job
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:18 PM   #20
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I talk to the video maker before. I don't think he likes emmanuel too much. His motive for making these videos is to show why Juan schools emmanuel, and that emmanuel hasn't improved at all.

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Here are other videos created by him. Many people brushed off the facts and visual proof in these videos because they wanted to believe the fairytale about emmanuel's "improvements".
I've seen all those, all excellent.

Personally, I think Manny was on his "best version" on the last fight, as far as boxing fundamentals are concerned.
He did got hit less and tagged JMM more than their previous 2 fights.

They may not be huge improvements, but I maintain my position that he did improve on punch selection (doesn't charge in without first feinting or jabbing, his accuracy is better too) and combination (up and down, not just jab, jab straight), balance (was really shitty before since he overcommits way too much, also why JMM wasn't able to rock Pac as solidly as before since JMM used to use Pac's momentum against him a lot), defense (dodging and parrying and using the high guard more effectively), timing (the way he negates jabs with his lead left is noteworthy), right hook (he throws it better now, not as wide as before and more timed, and infinitely more powerful).

Other than those "slight" adjustments, I'm very disappointed that it appeared that he regressed with his foot placement. He used to turn even the great Erik Morales around with ease.
Or maybe it was just that JMM is a master on it.
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:20 PM   #21
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03:39. 04:46 5:26 The editor forgot. Stepping on Pacquaio's foot. Stop him from moving. Overall, the video made sense. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:36 PM   #22
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Really? I thought my man Erik emulated Marquez' style pretty well in the first fight.
Dude, that's an unfair comparison.
Morales is a god among mere mortals.
Maybe he let JMM borrow some of his mojo.

Seriously tho, Erik did it a bit differently, but yes, as far as baiting, controlling distance and countering aggressively and movement is concerned, he did setup the same traps.

But still, Morales is god. End of disucssion.
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:59 PM   #23
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Dude, that's an unfair comparison.
Morales is a god among mere mortals.
Maybe he let JMM borrow some of his mojo.

Seriously tho, Erik did it a bit differently, but yes, as far as baiting, controlling distance and countering aggressively and movement is concerned, he did setup the same traps.

But still, Morales is god. End of disucssion.
I agree that Morales is great

But I also believe that Manny will have hell against a technician that's physically bigger than him
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Old 12-15-2011, 01:01 PM   #24
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Really good video.
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Old 12-15-2011, 01:15 PM   #25
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very good video.
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Old 12-15-2011, 02:00 PM   #26
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Pactards still trying to defend pac

This video was amazing, honestly it just shows how intelligent Marquez is in the ring.

Dude please make more
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Old 12-15-2011, 02:25 PM   #27
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03:39. 04:46 5:26 The editor forgot. Stepping on Pacquaio's foot. Stop him from moving. Overall, the video made sense. Thanks for sharing.
Lol..... even after pac and Freddy dismissed this as cheating the pactards continue..pac maybe a better fighter but Marquez is the better boxer.. he got robbed and not to take any of pacs achievements away but Marquez just has his number, theirs no shame in pac losing to Marquez he's a master boxer.
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:07 PM   #28
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Really? I thought my man Erik emulated Marquez' style pretty well in the first fight.
He did....He emulated the same style in the 2nd and 3rd but we all know how that played out.
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:10 PM   #29
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His intentions were to show that Pacquiao's "improvement" was a myth and I think he did a hell of a job
The author of the video didn't prove or show that PAC hasn't improved. It just showed that Juan had a different game plan and strategy to beat a 2012 version of PAC...it also showed that PAC went in with the same game plan that he had in the rematch which was a big mistake. Over confidence and lack of a fresh game plan usually doesn't end well. PAC was lucky the judges saw it for him.
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:13 PM   #30
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Pactards still trying to defend pac

This video was amazing, honestly it just shows how intelligent Marquez is in the ring.

Dude please make more
JMM is amazing with his intelligence, timing, and gameplan.

It makes me appreciate even more how a wild, flawed, and fundamentally inept (according to many here including the video maker) fighter can still beat him 3 times.
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