Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton III (On September 28. 1976, at Yankee Stadium) - Page 2

darling dame · 12-18-2011, 11:17 PM

To the guy who said the Ali hater would say, I say Norton won 9 rounds but didnt get the call,thats just the way this judge seen it!

FastHands(beeb) · 12-19-2011, 08:39 AM

Norton deserved the decision...simple as that. Ali knew it...Norton knew it...look at the way both reacted at the final bell.

There's some serious revisionist bullshit going on to suggest otherwise...it's become an urban myth with Ali sycophants who claim Ali won this fight. If it's repeated often enough, it becomes the truth...or so it seems.

Ali got the decision for financial reasons alone...to keep the gravy train rolling. Norton deserved a 4th fight, but Ali didn't want it...Norton should have got first crack at Leon too...Spinks' people didn't want that fight - offered Norton $ 200k thinking he would turn it down...but he didn't. One unlucky fighter, Kenny Norton.

As Norton said...Ali is the only fighter who can get a hometown decision in any town in the world.

After the fight Ali said "if I can't even beat Norton..."

Norton got shafted...end of story. Ali fans can dress it up any way they want...but it's the truth.

Gyro · 12-20-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FastHands(beeb)

Norton deserved the decision...simple as that. Ali knew it...Norton knew it...look at the way both reacted at the final bell.

There's some serious revisionist bullshit going on to suggest otherwise...it's become an urban myth with Ali sycophants who claim Ali won this fight. If it's repeated often enough, it becomes the truth...or so it seems.

Ali got the decision for financial reasons alone...to keep the gravy train rolling. Norton deserved a 4th fight, but Ali didn't want it...Norton should have got first crack at Leon too...Spinks' people didn't want that fight - offered Norton $ 200k thinking he would turn it down...but he didn't. One unlucky fighter, Kenny Norton.

As Norton said...Ali is the only fighter who can get a hometown decision in any town in the world.

After the fight Ali said "if I can't even beat Norton..."

Norton got shafted...end of story. Ali fans can dress it up any way they want...but it's the truth.

You can try and one-up boxing fans who know Ali won with your very last sentence but Ali won the fight all be it razor thin margin. Dress is it up any way you want, but Norton tried to cruise in the last round and was out boxed by the champion in that round. Round which made the difference in the fight.

Vince Voltage · 12-21-2011, 01:56 AM

It is a ridiculous myth that Ali outboxed Norton in the final round. Ali's jabs were missing all night. Norton landed some hard shots that round.

I've asked this before: is there a die-hard Ali fan who can produce slow motion footage of Ali landing ten clean, meaningful punches in this fight? If so, I want to see it. He landed almost nothing, just a few pokes here and there. Norton kicked his ass all night, just as Shavers did a year later.

Though I don't like the commonly used phrase on this site -"nuthugger" - there isn't any fighter in history who comes close to having as many nuthuggers as Ali, and thus boxing history is distorted because of it.

Quick Cash · 12-21-2011, 08:33 AM

I had Norton winning all three fights the last time I sat down to watch them. He won the third by seizing the crucial final round; a round where Ali did close to no damage with his pecking jab.

Then again, I always had Norton up over Holmes and Young in their individual meetings too. That man was simply poison against that style, in my opinion.

TG1 · 12-21-2011, 08:59 AM

The scoring on a rounds basis hurt Norton here. There was a case for at least two 10-8 rounds when Ali did nothing. Norton also won rounds big when Ali shaded them.

Not a robbery bit I can't blame Norton for being pissed.

RockyJim · 12-21-2011, 09:56 AM

Norton got robbed that night...one of the NY newspapers said:"If Ali won that fight last night...then the Japanese won WWII"...

FastHands(beeb) · 12-21-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyro

You can try and one-up boxing fans who know Ali won with your very last sentence but Ali won the fight all be it razor thin margin. Dress is it up any way you want, but Norton tried to cruise in the last round and was out boxed by the champion in that round. Round which made the difference in the fight.

This kind of goes some way to proving my point "boxing fans who know Ali won". Please! Ken Norton deserved the title that night - just look at the reactions of Nortn & Ali at the end of the 15th round - do you really think Ali thought he had won the fight? I stand by every word of my post...and will to my dying day. No-one can convince me that Ali deserved the decision that night.

12-18-2011, 11:17 PM	#16
darling dame Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 467 vCash: 500	Re: Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton III (On September 28. 1976, at Yankee Stadium) To the guy who said the Ali hater would say, I say Norton won 9 rounds but didnt get the call,thats just the way this judge seen it!
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12-19-2011, 08:39 AM	#17
FastHands(beeb) Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 637 vCash: 500	Re: Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton III (On September 28. 1976, at Yankee Stadium) Norton deserved the decision...simple as that. Ali knew it...Norton knew it...look at the way both reacted at the final bell. There's some serious revisionist bullshit going on to suggest otherwise...it's become an urban myth with Ali sycophants who claim Ali won this fight. If it's repeated often enough, it becomes the truth...or so it seems. Ali got the decision for financial reasons alone...to keep the gravy train rolling. Norton deserved a 4th fight, but Ali didn't want it...Norton should have got first crack at Leon too...Spinks' people didn't want that fight - offered Norton $ 200k thinking he would turn it down...but he didn't. One unlucky fighter, Kenny Norton. As Norton said...Ali is the only fighter who can get a hometown decision in any town in the world. After the fight Ali said "if I can't even beat Norton..." Norton got shafted...end of story. Ali fans can dress it up any way they want...but it's the truth.
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12-21-2011, 01:56 AM	#19
Vince Voltage Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 886 vCash: 500	Re: Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton III (On September 28. 1976, at Yankee Stadium) It is a ridiculous myth that Ali outboxed Norton in the final round. Ali's jabs were missing all night. Norton landed some hard shots that round. I've asked this before: is there a die-hard Ali fan who can produce slow motion footage of Ali landing ten clean, meaningful punches in this fight? If so, I want to see it. He landed almost nothing, just a few pokes here and there. Norton kicked his ass all night, just as Shavers did a year later. Though I don't like the commonly used phrase on this site -"nuthugger" - there isn't any fighter in history who comes close to having as many nuthuggers as Ali, and thus boxing history is distorted because of it.
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12-21-2011, 08:33 AM	#20
Quick Cash Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 546 vCash: 1000	Re: Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton III (On September 28. 1976, at Yankee Stadium) I had Norton winning all three fights the last time I sat down to watch them. He won the third by seizing the crucial final round; a round where Ali did close to no damage with his pecking jab. Then again, I always had Norton up over Holmes and Young in their individual meetings too. That man was simply poison against that style, in my opinion.
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12-21-2011, 08:59 AM	#21
TG1 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,036 vCash: 500	Re: Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton III (On September 28. 1976, at Yankee Stadium) The scoring on a rounds basis hurt Norton here. There was a case for at least two 10-8 rounds when Ali did nothing. Norton also won rounds big when Ali shaded them. Not a robbery bit I can't blame Norton for being pissed.
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12-21-2011, 09:56 AM	#22
RockyJim Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,268 vCash: 1000	Re: Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton III (On September 28. 1976, at Yankee Stadium) Norton got robbed that night...one of the NY newspapers said:"If Ali won that fight last night...then the Japanese won WWII"...
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