better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe?

dubace · 12-20-2011, 11:32 PM

Got this idea from reading another one of bailey's discredit this fighter to boost his daddy's status threads. so who's top 5 wins are better? Who won more decisively against better fighters?

Ward:
Froch, Abraham, Bika, Kessler, Green

Calzaghe:
Hopkins, Kessler, Bika, Lacy, Eubank
looks easy enough, but im sure some of you dumb asses will probably get it wrong.

BlackBrenny · 12-20-2011, 11:39 PM

Hopkins, WBA-WBC Champion undefeated Kessler, and IBF Champ Lacy is better than Abraham and Green, Cut-eyed Kessler, and Froch who lost to cut-eyed past prime Kessler.

At least Eubank actually had some Super-middleweight championships in his day, Allan Green and Abraham? come on.

Rumsfeld · 12-20-2011, 11:41 PM

Right now, I have to give the nod to Joe.

Calzaghe's win over Hopkins is still a better win than anything on Ward's ledger.

It's an unfair comparison, though, because Calzaghe's career is over and Ward's is in the early stages still.

Joe_MacKenzie · 12-20-2011, 11:43 PM

Manfredo wasn't one of Joe's top five or even top 10 wins.

Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Woodhall and Brewer were all better for certain.

As was Omar Sheika at the time, let's not forget he was coming off a win over Glen Johnson.

Others like McIntyre, faded Roy Jones and 2001 prime 30-0 Mario Veit were probably at least as good as Manfredo, who has never impressed me.

BlackBrenny · 12-20-2011, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_MacKenzie

Manfredo wasn't one of Joe's top five or even top 10 wins.

Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Woodhall and Brewer were all better for certain.

As was Omar Sheika at the time, let's not forget he was coming off a win over Glen Johnson.

Others like McIntyre, faded Roy Jones and 2001 prime 30-0 Mario Veit were probably at least as good as Manfredo, who has never impressed me.

Many people like to forget the fact that Sheika just beat Glen Johnson before Calzaghe destroyed him

Imperial1 · 12-20-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dubace

Got this idea from reading another one of bailey's discredit this fighter to boost his daddy's status threads. so who's top 5 wins are better? Who won more decisively against better fighters?

Ward:
Froch, Abraham, Bika, Kessler, Green

Calzaghe:
Hopkins, Kessler, Bika, Lacy, Manfredo

looks easy enough, but im sure some of you dumb asses will probably get it wrong.

Based these names the edge goes to Ward ..Outside of Hopkins who Jermain Taylor also happen to beat who else is left ?

BlackBrenny · 12-20-2011, 11:48 PM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W98M4ppO55A[/ame]

BlackBrenny · 12-20-2011, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperial1

Based these names the edge goes to Ward ..Outside of Hopkins who Jermain Taylor also happen to beat who else is left ?

Calzaghe beat Bika more convincingly than Ward, Green and Abraham have never even won a super-middleweight title..

dubace · 12-20-2011, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_MacKenzie

Manfredo wasn't one of Joe's top five or even top 10 wins.

Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Woodhall and Brewer were all better for certain.

As was Omar Sheika at the time, let's not forget he was coming off a win over Glen Johnson.

Others like McIntyre, faded Roy Jones and 2001 prime 30-0 Mario Veit were probably at least as good as Manfredo, who has never impressed me.

good point. will fix. Reid and Sheika should've been rematched but weren't cuz calaghe's a bitch. leaves Eubank left.

dubace · 12-20-2011, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBrenny

Many people like to forget the fact that Sheika just beat Glen Johnson before Calzaghe destroyed him

you guys are so dumb. did you even see the sheika fight? it was stopped from a cut that opened after a headbut. then calzaghe targeted it against the no defense sheika and got it stopped. sheika was still giving calzaghe a good fight. wasn't much dominating at all.

BlackBrenny · 12-20-2011, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dubace

you guys are so dumb. did you even see the sheika fight? it was stopped from a cut that opened after a headbut. then calzaghe targeted it against the no defense sheika and got it stopped. sheika was still giving calzaghe a good fight. wasn't much dominating at all.

yeah right, two cuts along the eyebrows caused by a headbutt? sure, how many shots did Omar land? count em.

ripcity · 12-20-2011, 11:57 PM

I chose Ward.
It's close, but Calzhghe's win over Hopkins was not defentive while all of Ward's win's were. Eubank was also past his best.
Ward fought better guys at the time they fought and has more clear wins.

Rumsfeld · 12-20-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ripcity

I chose Ward.
It's close, but Calzhghe's win over Hopkins was not defentive while all of Ward's win's were. Eubank was also past his best.
Ward fought better guys at the time they fought and has more clear wins.

Calzaghe's win against Hopkins was close, but the Hopkins win is FAR BETTER than any of Ward's wins, IMHO.

Imperial1 · 12-21-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBrenny

Calzaghe beat Bika more convincingly than Ward, Green and Abraham have never even won a super-middleweight title..

And Andre beat Kesser more convincing than Joe and he was a 2 time super middle weight champ along with Froch . And your point ?

Icanteach2005 · 12-21-2011, 12:02 AM

Abrahamn.. Great Middlewieght champ..
Both Have Kessler Ward victory better..
Both Have Bika.. Joe victory better
Eubank Nice win for Joe..
Lacy Good Win Owned by Joe
Froch a former champ with a great Resume Great Win for Ward
Hopkins is a Great Win for Joe

I voted for Ward.. but its clear that Joe has the better Resume but 1 more victory by Ward say Bute, any of the LightHeavyweight champs then Joe's Resume is Trumped by Ward..

View Poll Results: Who's Top 5 Wins are Better?
Ward	24	31.58%
Calzaghe	51	67.11%
Even (For you indecisive people)	1	1.32%
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12-20-2011, 11:32 PM	#1
dubace Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,881 vCash: 1000	better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe? Got this idea from reading another one of bailey's discredit this fighter to boost his daddy's status threads. so who's top 5 wins are better? Who won more decisively against better fighters? Ward: Froch, Abraham, Bika, Kessler, Green Calzaghe: Hopkins, Kessler, Bika, Lacy, Eubank looks easy enough, but im sure some of you dumb asses will probably get it wrong. Last edited by dubace; 12-20-2011 at 11:51 PM. Reason: messed up
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12-20-2011, 11:39 PM	#2
BlackBrenny Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,737 vCash: 75	Re: better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe? Hopkins, WBA-WBC Champion undefeated Kessler, and IBF Champ Lacy is better than Abraham and Green, Cut-eyed Kessler, and Froch who lost to cut-eyed past prime Kessler. At least Eubank actually had some Super-middleweight championships in his day, Allan Green and Abraham? come on.
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12-20-2011, 11:41 PM	#3
Rumsfeld Moderator East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Go to the Mushroom Mag! Posts: 57,036 vCash: 0	Re: better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe? Right now, I have to give the nod to Joe. Calzaghe's win over Hopkins is still a better win than anything on Ward's ledger. It's an unfair comparison, though, because Calzaghe's career is over and Ward's is in the early stages still.
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12-20-2011, 11:43 PM	#4
Joe_MacKenzie All Time Great ESB Addict Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,558 vCash: 325	Re: better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe? Manfredo wasn't one of Joe's top five or even top 10 wins. Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Woodhall and Brewer were all better for certain. As was Omar Sheika at the time, let's not forget he was coming off a win over Glen Johnson. Others like McIntyre, faded Roy Jones and 2001 prime 30-0 Mario Veit were probably at least as good as Manfredo, who has never impressed me.
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12-20-2011, 11:48 PM	#7
BlackBrenny Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,737 vCash: 75	Re: better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W98M4ppO55A[/ame]
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12-20-2011, 11:57 PM	#12
ripcity Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: "Somebody may beat me, but they are going to have to bleed to do it." Posts: 12,046 vCash: 856	Re: better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe? I chose Ward. It's close, but Calzhghe's win over Hopkins was not defentive while all of Ward's win's were. Eubank was also past his best. Ward fought better guys at the time they fought and has more clear wins.
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12-21-2011, 12:02 AM	#15
Icanteach2005 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Biloxi to San Jose Posts: 724 vCash: 336	Re: better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe? Abrahamn.. Great Middlewieght champ.. Both Have Kessler Ward victory better.. Both Have Bika.. Joe victory better Eubank Nice win for Joe.. Lacy Good Win Owned by Joe Froch a former champ with a great Resume Great Win for Ward Hopkins is a Great Win for Joe I voted for Ward.. but its clear that Joe has the better Resume but 1 more victory by Ward say Bute, any of the LightHeavyweight champs then Joe's Resume is Trumped by Ward..
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