better top 5: Ward or Calzaghe? - Page 5

Nonito Smoak · 12-21-2011, 01:43 AM

However, the answer to the threads' question is Calzaghe. Surprised by the votes Ward is getting... Short term memory.

BlackBrenny · 12-21-2011, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brit Sillynanny

Yep. I remember. He was game but outclassed. There were some really terrible opponents (old, untalented, fat, etc.) before and after this fight (pre-title) but this fight at least had some tension as Mark came to fight and as he was undefeated had a belief it was possible - for a bit.

Yeah and I think Calzaghe was bad-ass in that fight, those fans were baying for his blood, calling him a "Welsh bastard", but when he started destroying Delaney, who was a good fighter, they didn't know wtf to do

Nonito Smoak · 12-21-2011, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBrenny

But did you REALLY watch it? have you seen those cuts (caused by punches) in HD? Sheikas eyes were fucked, plus his arms were going limp with each shot lol.

he didnt "push the referee away in rage!". he fucking threw his balnky out of his cot and sulked to his corner.

Just realized I sounded like a Calzaghe hater. To clarify:

Calzaghe def won the first 4 rounds, and the 5th was great two way action with Joe clearly getting the better, but I really don't think Sheika was out of the fight.

And if not for the cuts, I doubt he goes into "all or nothing" mode the way he did. Props to Sheika though, gave the fans what they wanted and rather than get punished and further cut over several more rounds, he went for broke. Wish more would do it that way.

Calzaghe did fight somewhat dirty. Enough so that I can say Calzaghe in Calzaghe/Sheika fought dirtier than any specific Ward fight I can think of. I don't think either are dirty fighters, just stating this due to the amount of trash Ward takes for fighting well on the inside. He doesn't have the power to scoot the opposition back, so what else is he gonna do when he's unloading on the opponent, back up and drop your hands?

whopperdong · 12-21-2011, 01:56 AM

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OMFG really? you've never seen Ottke Reid? You need to watch this travesty

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lol "complaining to the ref for taking a right hand to the jaw"

that was infuriating to watch. There should be a rule that no wt fights are to be held in germany.

BlackBrenny · 12-21-2011, 02:03 AM

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lol "complaining to the ref for taking a right hand to the jaw"

that was infuriating to watch. There should be a rule that no wt fights are to be held in germany.

lol watch the whole thing it gets worse.

BlackBrenny · 12-21-2011, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nonito Smoak

Just realized I sounded like a Calzaghe hater. To clarify:

Calzaghe def won the first 4 rounds, and the 5th was great two way action with Joe clearly getting the better, but I really don't think Sheika was out of the fight.

And if not for the cuts, I doubt he goes into "all or nothing" mode the way he did. Props to Sheika though, gave the fans what they wanted and rather than get punished and further cut over several more rounds, he went for broke. Wish more would do it that way.

Calzaghe did fight somewhat dirty. Enough so that I can say Calzaghe in Calzaghe/Sheika fought dirtier than any specific Ward fight I can think of. I don't think either are dirty fighters, just stating this due to the amount of trash Ward takes for fighting well on the inside. He doesn't have the power to scoot the opposition back, so what else is he gonna do when he's unloading on the opponent, back up and drop your hands?

Fair enough mate I see your point, like I said, I wouldn't begrudge him a rematch in that situation at all, but I still think he loses it, even in a neutral venue or America or anywhere else.

Imperial1 · 12-21-2011, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBrenny

Then we can wait a while BEFORE jumping the gun and putting him before Calzaghe, because right now he doesn't win.

I didn't say at the end of Wards career he couldn't be ahead of Calzaghe, just that right now he ISN'T. No way

fact is, wins over Abraham and Green do not beat wins over a CHAMPION in Lacy, these guys were never supermiddleweight champs, Lacy was, and he was favoured

Its too early to say he has surpassed Joe but he's fought the better comp in a shorter amount of time .

Outside of Hopkins who else does he have ?Froch is better than most of those opponents you mentioned including Lacy by a country mile

That Lacy being favored crap only worked with the fan boys .

Nonito Smoak · 12-21-2011, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBrenny

Fair enough mate I see your point, like I said, I wouldn't begrudge him a rematch in that situation at all, but I still think he loses it, even in a neutral venue or America or anywhere else.

I honestly didn't have much of a point.

But, oh, no question Calzaghe beats Sheika 19 times out of 20. Maybe 18.

Guybino · 12-21-2011, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Imperial1

Based these names the edge goes to Ward ..Outside of Hopkins who Jermain Taylor also happen to beat who else is left ?

delusional Ward fan

JoeAverage · 12-21-2011, 04:53 AM

Not much in it, but Joe still has the edge.

Joe fought Hopkins abroad and that settles it for me. Not so much Hopkins, but the fact that he went across the Atlantic to fight a top fighter. Ward still is exclusively stay-at-home fighter.

JoeAverage · 12-21-2011, 04:55 AM

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Manfredo wasn't one of Joe's top five or even top 10 wins.

Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Woodhall and Brewer were all better for certain.

As was Omar Sheika at the time, let's not forget he was coming off a win over Glen Johnson.

Others like McIntyre, faded Roy Jones and 2001 prime 30-0 Mario Veit were probably at least as good as Manfredo, who has never impressed me.

Despite Joe's resume being thin outside of top 5, neither Manfredo or Lacy is a top 10 win. Manfredo not even a top 20 win.

Icanteach2005 · 12-21-2011, 05:06 AM

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Sorry but Reid: former Supermiddleweight champ

Eubank: former Supermiddleweight champ

Lacy: Undefeated IBF Supermiddleweight champ

Kessler: Undefeated WBA-WBC Supermiddleweight champ

Woodhall: Former Supermiddleweight champ

Mitchell: former Supermiddleweight champ

Reid: Former Supermiddleweight champ..

etc.

Half of these names are place holders.. at this time the SMW division was a dump.. Eubank, Reid, and Kessler and maybe a Lacy.. thats it..

I have said it already.. Joe has the better resume.. Ward in a 2 year span is about to Trump Joe Resume and he is still in his twenties...

AnotherFan · 12-21-2011, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Icanteach2005

Abrahamn.. Great Middlewieght champ..
Both Have Kessler Ward victory better..
Both Have Bika.. Joe victory better
Eubank Nice win for Joe..
Lacy Good Win Owned by Joe
Froch a former champ with a great Resume Great Win for Ward
Hopkins is a Great Win for Joe

I voted for Ward.. but its clear that Joe has the better Resume but 1 more victory by Ward say Bute, any of the LightHeavyweight champs then Joe's Resume is Trumped by Ward..

I think that is pretty spot on. Calzaghes resume is only borderline above Wards at this point. A rematch against Kessler and a victory against Bute would make the case clear.

whopperdong · 12-21-2011, 06:43 AM

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lol watch the whole thing it gets worse.

man that absolute bullshit. reid looked like he could easily have won that had it not been for that fat cunt makin him nervous / frustrated.

cant believe that guy is now a judge.

Smokin' Joe · 12-21-2011, 07:36 AM

Calzaghe's resume is stronger now.

Ward's resume will be stronger by a long way when his career is over.

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Ward	24	31.58%
Calzaghe	51	67.11%
Even (For you indecisive people)	1	1.32%
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