Big Nog can **** off with his excuse-making.

[rekcutnevets]

[Ne5ville14]

Priceless Rek !

[Popkins]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

I love how idiots love Chael for telling it like it is, when he is actually telling you how it isn't. Then you turn around and hate on Nog for telling you what happened. I guess some people hate the truth.

Nogueira doesn't speak English all that well. The ref told him to stop hitting behind the head. Nog said neck instead. Big ****ing deal. The ref did warn Nogueira for shots most people get away with. Nogueira went for a sub when he should have gone for the knock out.

I guess Nogueira should just proclaim himself the winner of the fight, call himself the uncrowned champion, and tell the world how scared Mir is of him. Then make up some story about how he would break into Mir's house and do something gangster to him. Follow it up with some ethnocentric remarks about Brazilians, and make fun of Mir for being an American. That way Nog could be loved by Haggis the Jack Ass.

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****ing good on you Rek.

[Stoo]

Preach Rek Preach!!!

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[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Preach Rek Preach!!!

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[Beekeeper]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

I love how idiots love Chael for telling it like it is, when he is actually telling you how it isn't. Then you turn around and hate on Nog for telling you what happened. I guess some people hate the truth.

Nogueira doesn't speak English all that well. The ref told him to stop hitting behind the head. Nog said neck instead. Big ****ing deal. The ref did warn Nogueira for shots most people get away with. Nogueira went for a sub when he should have gone for the knock out.

I guess Nogueira should just proclaim himself the winner of the fight, call himself the uncrowned champion, and tell the world how scared Mir is of him. Then make up some story about how he would break into Mir's house and do something gangster to him. Follow it up with some ethnocentric remarks about Brazilians, and make fun of Mir for being an American. That way Nog could be loved by Haggis the Jack Ass.

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

I love how idiots love Chael for telling it like it is, when he is actually telling you how it isn't. Then you turn around and hate on Nog for telling you what happened. I guess some people hate the truth.

Are you directly comparing Nog to Chael?

Chael is the sport's biggest trash talker. His whole thing is running his mouth and saying outrageous things in order to provoke a reaction. He's the UFC's biggest troll. When he calls himself "The People's Champion" and talks about Stann being his first defence, he's selling himself and his next fight. HE doesn't even believe that shit.

Nog, however, is supposed to be the quiet, humble, respectful gentleman.

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

Nogueira doesn't speak English all that well. The ref told him to stop hitting behind the head. Nog said neck instead. Big ****ing deal.

That's fine if Nog stuttered this out in broken English immediately after the fight, with his adrenaline and emotions running high. I wouldn't have an issue with that at all.

But that's not what happened. This message appeared on his website OVER A WEEK later. It was a message to his English-speaking fans, and he straight up lies to them in order to make an excuse. Any fan can watch the tape and see that he's full of shit. And it's not even talking about the neck instead of the back of the head. It's about saying that his shots were legal and that Herb Dean was wrong in warning him, which directly cost him the fight.

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

The ref did warn Nogueira for shots most people get away with.

Oh, bullshit. Watch the tape. He clearly hit a trapped Mir in the back of the head 3-4 times while the ref was 2 feet away. Every fighter gets warned for that, and rightly so.

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

Nogueira went for a sub when he should have gone for the knock out.

Yes, that's right.

But Herb Dean didn't say "Don't punch him any more" or "Go for the submission now."

He said, quote, "Watch the back of the head." Because Mir was trying to escape, and Nog was repeatedly hitting him on the back of the head.

Nothing was stopping Nog from ad******g his position and continuing to hit Mir in a legal way.

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

I guess Nogueira should just proclaim himself the winner of the fight, call himself the uncrowned champion, and tell the world how scared Mir is of him. Then make up some story about how he would break into Mir's house and do something gangster to him. Follow it up with some ethnocentric remarks about Brazilians, and make fun of Mir for being an American. That way Nog could be loved by Haggis the Jack Ass.

No, what he should do is just suck it up. Don't wait for a week and then post statements on your website where you straight up lie about what happened, and not only that, where you throw the best ref in the game under the bus for apparently costing you the fight, when in fact he acted appropriately and handled the situation in question very well.

FFS man, I don't know where you guys come from, but in Australia every 8 year old kid is taught never to blame the ref when you lose. Not even when the ref really did **** up and cost you the win. And ESPECIALLY not when the ref did nothing wrong.

[Bill Butcher]

Originally Posted by Haggis McJackass

From his official website:

Why the **** have you got a little blue head shaking ?

What Nog said was absolutely correct & he credited Mir for submitting him also, whats the problem ?

[Anarchy99]

Come on, NOBODY has given Mir the credit he deserves for submitting Nog. Mir proved himself to be the better grappler and everybody is blind to the fact.

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Why the **** have you got a little blue head shaking ?

What Nog said was absolutely correct & he credited Mir for submitting him also, whats the problem ?

What Nog said was NOT absolutely correct. He was NOT landing legal shots, he WAS hitting Mir in the back of the head, and he was rightly warned. Just a warning by the way, Dean never interfered at all with Nog's positioning or attack.

When you credit Frank Mir with the victory, and then in the same breath you complain that the referee wrongly stopped you from continuing a legal attack and that's why you immediately made the mistake that caused you to lose the fight, that is NOT crediting Mir for the submission. That is blaming the ref.

Say it in the heat of the moment in the cage immediately after the fight, okay no problem.

After a full week has passed, releasing a statement to your fans on your official website in which you lie about what happened and unfairly bitch about the referee's performance - that's disappointing. Not the end of the world and it doesn't ruin Nog's reputation or tarnish anything he's achieved in his career, but it's not a good quote and he shouldn't have posted it. You can acknowledge that without hating on Nog, you know.

Or you could continue to just relentlessly slobber on his nuts.

[Popkins]

Originally Posted by Anarchy99

Mir proved himself to be the better grappler and everybody is blind to the fact.

Did Jason Miller prove himself to be a better grappler and submission artist than Kazushi Sakuraba by what happened in their fight?

(this was Beekeeper's point on another thread, but it's relevant here as well)

[alex-boxer42]

Originally Posted by Haggis McJackass

At his age and experience, he should know better than to try to throw the referee under the bus when in fact that referee performed his job well. When Nog says that he looked at the footage and it shows that he only landed punches to the side of Mir's head, he is flat out lying and causing harm to Dean's reputation.

It's not the excuse in and of itself that is the problem. You are right, fighters make excuses.

It's trying to pin the loss on Herb Dean ****ing him with bad instructions, when in fact Dean did nothing wrong. That's bullshit, it's not a standard excuse, and Nog should know better.

You don't know a damn thing about what it takes to be a fighter and the pride they have. Nog can make all the excuses he wants. You should know better. You just a commentator you don't know nothing about MMA.

[Amrn4s]

The ref told him to stop. lol Now how many times was that excuse used...... hmmmm

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by alex-boxer42

You don't know a damn thing about what it takes to be a fighter and the pride they have. Nog can make all the excuses he wants. You should know better. You just a commentator you don't know nothing about MMA.

Bitching about the ref, you shouldn't do it.

If the ref really did **** up the call and cost you the fight, you get a pass for bitching. To a certain extent.

If the ref did his job well and you bitch about it in print a week later and flat out lie about what happened and in the process slander a top official's reputation, that's not on.

[Anarchy99]

BJJ and other submission grappling is designed around your skills not eroding with age. The whole "past his prime" aspect is absolutely bullshit when factoring in where the end of the fight took place. I do BJJ and trust me, the older you get, the more experienced you get and the more dangerous you get. Nog isn't even 40 yet and is in tremendous shape so there is NO reason Mir's win should get any kind of discredit.