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Old 01-01-2012, 05:49 PM   #46
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I was thinking of Mike too. But realistically his success is small compared with a power house like GG. Although he does train Manhoef, Daley and Hari.
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Old 01-01-2012, 05:52 PM   #47
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GG offers the toughest and highest level striking in the world all in one place!!
Personally i believe this may come back to bite him in the ass. Overeem's career was turned around BECAUSE of GG. He had the most amount of success with GG. Now he has no access to them and will need to use inferior training and sparring partners in the US. I have a very sneaky suspicion he's going to pay for this and get found out quite quickly.
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Personally i believe this may come back to bite him in the ass. Overeem's career was turned around BECAUSE of GG. He had the most amount of success with GG. Now he has no access to them and will need to use inferior training and sparring partners in the US. I have a very sneaky suspicion he's going to pay for this and get found out quite quickly.
I don't think so. He still has a lot of guys who were actually with Overeem and not GG, like his own personal pad trainer etc.

Obviously it isn't good that he no longer has access to those great sparring partners but I think he'll be OK his striking has improved so much already and is better than everyone else at HW so I shouldn't think it'll affect him that much.

Now Overeem is getting some top wrestlers into his camp which is one benefit of leaving GG as crazy as that sounds. He can improve his weaknesses instead of just sharpening his strengths.
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Old 01-01-2012, 06:00 PM   #49
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I don't think so. He still has a lot of guys who were actually with Overeem and not GG, like his own personal pad trainer etc.

Obviously it isn't good that he no longer has access to those great sparring partners but I think he'll be OK his striking has improved so much already and is better than everyone else at HW so I shouldn't think it'll affect him that much.

Now Overeem is getting some top wrestlers into his camp which is one benefit of leaving GG as crazy as that sounds. He can improve his weaknesses instead of just sharpening his strengths.
Personally id like to see Overeem work on his strengths and weakness's. Striking and Guard. Nothing else to me matters. He can win all of his fights in the UFC if he has both of these on lock.
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Personally id like to see Overeem work on his strengths and weakness's. Striking and Guard. Nothing else to me matters. He can win all of his fights in the UFC if he has both of these on lock.
Yeah I guess, The only guy who offers anything in his wrestling his Cain and I don;t see him beating Overeem.
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Overeem won the K1 grand prix last year, so saying he is one of the best strikers in the world isn't a stretch. Overeem isn't one of the best technicians in the world. His form isn't bad, so maybe technique isn't what I'm after. Overeem is always a little cautious. He doesn't really do anything defensively other than cover up and move away. He doesn't really use footwork to set anything up, and he doesn't look to parry and counter. He wins most of the time by being the bigger guy.
Note how differently how these Dutch kickboxers move, they stalk more and dont bounce around the ring as much as American boxers or kickboxers. These Dutch kickboxers are even more different to someone like Anderson Silva and Jon Jones.

I see this dutch style the strongest with Gegard and Overeem. Fedor is slowly starting to get there, although he still tend to cast his punches like a Sambo fighter.

Overeem was very lucky with many of his K-1 wins. That tournament style worked in his favour, with pretty much all of his opponents coming in injured from their previous vicious battle. I think Peter Aerts came in with a broken arm, he basically didnt use his right arm. Even Overeem's Golden Glory team and other K-1 fighters have already said this.
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Lets look at the body of evidence. First off Overeems background contrary to popular opinion is not as a striker. He started his career in mixed martial arts /judo and was trained by Bas Rutten.
Does the his GP win flatter him? I think so. Whilst the GP have never always produced the best fighters they have produced the toughest. And Overeems path to the top was relatively easy. First off he faced Spong. When both men were much lighter Overeem and he was sparring partners and Overeem was routinely schooled by Spong in their infamous GG wars.
Likewise a one armed Ghita who was outweighed significantly gave Overeem hell for as long as it lasted with far better crisper striking. Same again is true with Aerts who went through hell with Semmi in the Semi finals. Overeem basically waltzed through the GP and fortunately avoided the toughests fighters. Saki, Ghita, Shilt and an old Aerts.
Now when you look at Overeems striking its clear he loves his size now and is in love with his power and menacing look. But he just doesnt put them together as well as say Aerts, Ghita Spong or Saki. If Overeem is going to tear through the UFC and disguise his obvious weakness he really needs to start putting them together. This one punch -whip out a camera and survey your work- and the occasional uber knee is just not enough. There's just not enough variation in his work and its hardly surprising taking into account his background.
So many questions on Overeem will be answered if and when he meets Junior. Should be a fight with all the buildup and uncertainty of Junior versus Cain, and may only last about the last amount of time.
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Yeah I guess, The only guy who offers anything in his wrestling his Cain and I don;t see him beating Overeem.
What has Cain done wrestling wise?
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lolwut?

Dont you know?

Havent you been listening to Marloes Coenen and Bas Rutten? apparently the other Golden Glory fighters have ripped Overeem's pictures off the wall after disrespecting the FAMILY.

GG pretty much is one of the best striking gyms in the world filled with top strikers. No gym in America could even come close.
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Dont you know?

Havent you been listening to Marloes Coenen and Bas Rutten? apparently the other Golden Glory fighters have ripped Overeem's pictures off the wall after disrespecting the FAMILY.

GG pretty much is one of the best striking gyms in the world filled with top strikers. No gym in America could even come close.
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Dont you know?

Havent you been listening to Marloes Coenen and Bas Rutten? apparently the other Golden Glory fighters have ripped Overeem's pictures off the wall after disrespecting the FAMILY.

GG pretty much is one of the best striking gyms in the world filled with top strikers. No gym in America could even come close.
That's not why he left GG, it wasn't a problem with the management but I didn't hear about the fighters ripping pictures of the wall. Link? Sounds pretty serious although I doubt it.
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What has Cain done wrestling wise?
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegiate_wrestling"]Collegiate wrestling[/ame]

  • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association"]National Collegiate Athletic Association[/ame]
    • [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (2005, 2006)
    • [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Championship (2005, 2006)
    • [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Wrestler of the Year (2005)
    • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA"]NCAA[/ame] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] 285 1b 5th place out of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University"]Arizona State University[/ame] (2005)[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA"]NCAA[/ame] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] 285 1b 4th place out of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University"]Arizona State University[/ame] (2006)[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Junior_College_Athletic_Association"]National Junior College Athletic Association[/ame]
    • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Junior_College_Athletic_Association"]NJCAA[/ame] Junior Collegiate Championship (2002)
    • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Junior_College_Athletic_Association"]NJCAA[/ame] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (2002)
  • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Wrestling"]USA Wrestling[/ame]
    • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Associated_Wrestling_Styles"]FILA[/ame] Junior Freestyle World Team Trials Winner (2002)
    • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASICS"]ASICS[/ame] Tiger High School All-American (2001)
    • Western Junior Freestyle Regional Championship (2001)
    • Western Junior Greco-Roman Regional Championship (2001)
  • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Interscholastic_Association"]Arizona Interscholastic Association[/ame]
    • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Interscholastic_Association"]AIA[/ame] Division I High School State Championship (2000, 2001)
    • [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Interscholastic_Association"]AIA[/ame] 5A Conference Championship (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001)
Not to mention his unlimited gas tank.
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