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Old 02-06-2012, 07:22 AM   #31
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My favourite Marquez move is the feint with the jab..... oh, and the long uppercut/hook thingy that he does with the left hand, worked a treat against Katsidis many times.
You mean his reaching left uppercut which he follows up with the right hand? I like it too
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:23 AM   #32
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Can't have a technical thread without some video's and this is one of my favs.
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Remember sparring my mate a year back, after he said 'you circle really well'. All down to this video.
I watch that vid almost once a month. Quality!

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My favourite face off yet. Much prefer the strategic talk and rivalry banter to trash talking and insults.
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:30 AM   #33
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I love JMM's angles, he uses angles beautifully with a slip here and a dip there. I always look at his lead hand the way he sights his opponent with it. Sorta like he's fencing and picking off the opponents advances.

Donaire messing around the other day in media workout did a bit of JMM and he made light of it.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:38 AM   #34
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Mand, that video was explosive...really enjoyable.


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Old 02-06-2012, 07:40 AM   #35
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Really good that Burley video.
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:06 AM   #36
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Robinson vs. Burley lads?

People like to say Robinson ducked Burley (mainly because of the polite things he said about as tongue in cheek, but also because he had major respect for him and he wasn't the trash talking type).

I think it's nonsense to be honest.
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:14 AM   #37
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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBmqlO6rh4[/ame]

I enjoyed this, if anyone hasnt seen it its worth a watch
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:45 AM   #38
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Yeah, I enjoyed that.

Must say that I've never really critiqued Pacquiao that much other than the obvious, overshooting with his left and sometimes a lack of patience and variety in his work.
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:56 AM   #39
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My favourite Marquez move is the feint with the jab..... oh, and the long uppercut/hook thingy that he does with the left hand, worked a treat against Katsidis many times.


Reminds me of Naseems jab/uppercut.......if this makes sense.

Question regarding the thread.

How often do you see two orthodox fighters working clockwise in general, ok some will feint or slip right but generally it seems 90% of the time they move clockwise.

Can anyone name me some that dont/didnt ?

Scott Harrison i noticed used to move anti and in turn keep range and pressure on opponents...i had a few other fighters though ma minds not the best....

Surely an orthodox fighter moving anti clockwise so to speak gives the majority of orthodox fighters issues ?

Thoughts please.


Nice thread btw
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:44 AM   #40
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IMO a subtle but important technique to teach or to learn is how to take away or manipulate your opponents angles to punch from. In simple terms, take drawing a shot by feinting an opening, then making your opponent miss and lose balance. For me it's the most important and understated part of Mayweather's defence. He puts himself in positions were you have to reach and charge for him, and he knows exactly where you will be so he can counter. Here is a gif I stole from a different thread.

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Also worth noting in this example, he knows Ortiz wants to keep his foot outside, so he concedes the outside in order to gain the upperhand. As a southpaw myself I often take advantage of the fact that a lot of orthodox fighters go into the ring fixated on the idea of stepping to the outside, but they can be unsure of what to do when you let them take it and roll back under the inside to open up angles.

Always better to be the puppeteer than the puppet IMO!
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:06 AM   #41
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Reminds me of Naseems jab/uppercut.......if this makes sense.

Question regarding the thread.

How often do you see two orthodox fighters working clockwise in general, ok some will feint or slip right but generally it seems 90% of the time they move clockwise.

Can anyone name me some that dont/didnt ?

Scott Harrison i noticed used to move anti and in turn keep range and pressure on opponents...i had a few other fighters though ma minds not the best....

Surely an orthodox fighter moving anti clockwise so to speak gives the majority of orthodox fighters issues ?

Thoughts please.


Nice thread btw
That would be circling the wrong way, HH. Moving clockwise (to the left) is a disadvantage against another orthadox fighter because you'd be moving into the back hand which is a big no no. You HAVE to circle to the right if you're facing an orthadox opponent to avoid his right hand. The objective is to get more distance from your opponents back hand and yourself, that's what this does. It also means your orthadox opponent has to constantly reposition himself to throw his back hand.

That thing is moving right is actually something orthadox fighters find difficult. This is why you'll see some of them circling the wrong way and walking into punches. Circling to the right for someone in a right handed stance is not natural and needs a lot of work. That's why it's not really surpising that they lose the battle when they come up against southpaws because they have change what they've been taught and learn to move left again.

I've seen some fighters delibarately moving the 'wrong way' to try and set something up though. The best example is probabily George Foreman who moved the wrong way, which coincidently is the way that was more natural to him at some points in the fight to lull Moorer in and set his right hand up. But generally if you see a fighter moving to his left against another orthadox fighter he's doing the wrong thing and leaving himself susciptable to power punches.

The rule is.

- Orthadox against orthadox. Move right.

- Orthadox facing southpaw. Move left.

- Southpaw against Southpaw. Move left.

- Southpaw facing Orthadox. Move right.

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Old 02-06-2012, 10:19 AM   #42
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Keep your elbows tucked in, your chin down, you eyes on the opponent, circle away from their lead hand, keep your head moving, throw feints to draw a reaction and remember he has a body too so dig that left hook in.

^ this is all fantastic technical advice.

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Old 02-06-2012, 10:27 AM   #43
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IMO a subtle but important technique to teach or to learn is how to take away or manipulate your opponents angles to punch from. In simple terms, take drawing a shot by feinting an opening, then making your opponent miss and lose balance. For me it's the most important and understated part of Mayweather's defence. He puts himself in positions were you have to reach and charge for him, and he knows exactly where you will be so he can counter. Here is a gif I stole from a different thread.

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Also worth noting in this example, he knows Ortiz wants to keep his foot outside, so he concedes the outside in order to gain the upperhand. As a southpaw myself I often take advantage of the fact that a lot of orthodox fighters go into the ring fixated on the idea of stepping to the outside, but they can be unsure of what to do when you let them take it and roll back under the inside to open up angles.

Always better to be the puppeteer than the puppet IMO!
Good post. Damn i wish i could do giffs. lol

What Ortiz didn't do though in that little sequence is step to Floyd's blindside. When Floyd dips to his right he does leave himself blind on the other side if someone has the tools to take advantage of it. Much in the way that James Toney use to leave himself blind on his left side which Roy Jones exploited brilliently. The difference being it's not as exaggerated as James Toney's and Floyd has the footwork to reposition himself and change distance.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:30 AM   #44
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Top thread, i'll have a better read when i'm back from my run

Hooking off the Jab

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abchda9lc5k[/ame]

First 3 mins of this video
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:33 AM   #45
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Okay fella's Donaire talks shop with Smitty, Now one thing that is of interest to me is that he watches shoulders of opponent to pick off them coming in.

I've heard some shockers been taught to kids, 'watch there feet', 'watch there eyes'. I like what Donaire's saying. Watch the whole body, He's thinking and concentrating in there all the time.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XFkl5ugXA[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E2BEE8Ce70&feature=plcp&context=C32b8885UDOEgsToPDskJ7whvWc6ARaQywZTv9SH1I[/ame]
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