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Old 02-06-2012, 10:42 AM   #46
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:49 AM   #47
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Top thread, i'll have a better read when i'm back from my run

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Old 02-06-2012, 10:54 AM   #48
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Can we discuss how modern 'pressure fighters' have almost no defence, aside from some poor mike tyson impression of holding your hands high and leaning to the left or right with no foot movement?
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:55 AM   #49
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Tie up your opponent
You've seen boxers clinch in every fight. To someone who doesn't know any better, it becomes downright annoying because it breaks up the action of two people swinging at each other. However, if you want to become a competitive boxer, you have to understand clinching, when to clinch, how to clinch, what to do in a clinch, and how to get out of a

What is the goal of the clinch in boxing?
The goal of clinching in boxing is to tie up your opponent. Basically you want to capture both of his arms under yours - much like giving him a big bear hug that effectively prevents him from lifting his arms and punching. Don't think you are going to be able to do this for long. In boxing, you can't tie up your opponent and the referee will break you apart, but it can be enough of a break if you are getting pummelled and need to stop the onslaught.

the clinch can keep you from losing, but it can't make you a winner

How to Clinch
Like I mentioned above, to clinch you need to capture both of your opponent's arms under yours. In addition, you will want to put your head on his shoulder, hold him in tight and put as much weight as you can on him. This serves two purposes - first, it gives you a bit of rest and second, it makes him work harder. To get into a clinch, move towards your opponent with your guard high and elbows close together. Shoot your arms forward hooking both arms of your opponent just above the elbows and immediately pull him in close -- rub sweat. (this reason alone is a good one to do this sparingly Then lean on him and do not let him open the distance. Keep his lead leg between your legs and then use his movement to balance yourself. Conciously rest and control your energy output and breathing.

How to keep the referee from breaking your clinch.

Clinching in a boxing match is never allowed for long, but you can prolong it by looking busy in the clinch. If one of the boxers has an arm free and is fighting, the referee may not break it up. This takes a tremendous amount of energy and nullifies the short rest break you are attempting to achieve in the clinch, but if you are facing an opponent that likes to tie you up, then feed it to him. Get one arm free and slam it into his liver and side as he clinches you. Occasionally push back a bit and get a hook into the head. If you want to get illegal about it, the clinch gives you a clear shot of your opponent's kidneys and a rabbit punch or two is always available as well. I don't suggest you resort to illegal tactics, but a warning shot can signal a clinchy opponent to back off.
How to safely exit a clinch.

Getting out of a clinch can be dangerous because your arms are tied up and your guard is lowered. The first one to free his arms in the clinch can easily land a punch on exit which can lead to a full fledged combination and suddenly one fighter has the initiative. There are two methods of getting out of a boxing clinch: spin out or shove out.

Spinning Out: Decide which side you are going to spin out on. Usually it is done on the lead hand. So, if you are orthodox, you want to use your left hand/palm and grip your opponent's arm just above the elbow. Control it and push it across your chest and down at about 45 degrees as you step left and around your opponent. This effectively spins him away and you around. If the referree didn't break you up, then this is an excellent time to throw a left hook or straight right. I like to practice the push and followed immediately by a left hook.
Shove Out: In the clinch, quickly bring your hands in and give your opponent a strong decisive shove in the middle of his chest while simultaneously stepping back. You may find it better to even use the shove as a starting point for a quick hop backwards, but at any rate, ensure you shove is sufficient enough to throw your opponent off balance for a moment. You are trying to ensure he is not in position to throw a jab or other punch as you break the clinch. A safer method of doing this is to leave your lead hand tying up your opponent's lead arm and using your rear hand to initiate the shove. You can then guide your opponent's lead as you shove off ensuring a successful and safe exit from the clinch.

If a referree breaks you up, then step back cleanly and don't attempt to cheat and get in a cheap shot. At the same time, realize that this is boxing and cheap shots are plenty, so protect yourself at all times.
The recent Mayweather-Hatton fight gives you plenty of examples of the clinch in action, especially through the initial rounds up to round 8. If you can get through the first two minutes of this video (cheesy tribute introduction), you can see a number of clinching highlights. Notice around the 3rd minute how Hatton ties up Mayweather. It is a very obvious bear hug and you will also notice how the clinch can deteriorate into some vicious infighting. So, beware if you are using the clinch because you are tired. There is a good chance that you will end up even more tired after it. Used at the right time though, it is a good boxing technique to have available in your arsenal.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:56 AM   #50
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Can we discuss how modern 'pressure fighters' have almost no defence, aside from some poor mike tyson impression of holding your hands high and leaning to the left or right with no foot movement?
That's a great point, extremely depressing. Guys don't roll there shoulders anymore. They don't punch on the move and what annoys me so much.

They can't and don't know how to cut ring down!!. Maidana's footwork in Khan fight was a absolute disgrace tbh. Ok your tired but deary me you cut ring off and Khan would of been finished.

Also smothering work, Hatton fell into that trap.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:57 AM   #51
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I'll get back to you guys on the pressure fighting. Really passionate about that.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:07 AM   #52
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Okay fella's Donaire talks shop with Smitty, Now one thing that is of interest to me is that he watches shoulders of opponent to pick off them coming in.

I've heard some shockers been taught to kids, 'watch there feet', 'watch there eyes'. I like what Donaire's saying. Watch the whole body, He's thinking and concentrating in there all the time.

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Interesting that, Cheers. I see Donaire as a Roy Jones type though who relies on his superior twitch fibres, which is interesting because he's almost in his 30's right now i think and that might be a problem for him.

Btw Charles was another who hooked off the jab brilliently. Awesome technical refinement.
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Interesting that, Cheers. I see Donaire as a Roy Jones type though who relies on his superior twitch fibres, which is interesting because he's almost in his 30's right now i think and that might be a problem for him.

Btw Charles was another who hooked off the jab brilliently. Awesome technical refinement.
Good point, when the speed goes how do you see Nonito doing? can he settle and become more settled and steady behind the abc's of boxing. Or you think he might struggle?.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:13 AM   #54
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That's a great point, extremely depressing. Guys don't roll there shoulders anymore. They don't punch on the move and what annoys me so much.

They can't and don't know how to cut ring down!!. Maidana's footwork in Khan fight was a absolute disgrace tbh. Ok your tired but deary me you cut ring off and Khan would of been finished.

Also smothering work, Hatton fell into that trap.

the charlie burley video was an absolute treat and it got me thinking too.

no good cutting the ring off. no defence aside from holding hands high and the poor tyson impression. people dont catch shots with the open glove anymore (maybe more difficult since thumbs became attached), not much slipping, bending at the waist thinking its defence but really just getting out of position because fighters cant use subtle footwork instead of the ridiculous 'bouncing' thats become the fashion.

sound like that wanka fleaman but bloody hell boxing is the worse for it. (styles make fights as we know, and with loads of similar styles, less good fights)
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:18 AM   #55
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That's a great point, extremely depressing. Guys don't roll there shoulders anymore. They don't punch on the move and what annoys me so much.

They can't and don't know how to cut ring down!!. Maidana's footwork in Khan fight was a absolute disgrace tbh. Ok your tired but deary me you cut ring off and Khan would of been finished.

Also smothering work, Hatton fell into that trap.

I think Khan's footwork isn't all that great either (obviously better than Maidanda's) when he is put under pressure he runs... and I mean literally! a fighter at his level shouldn't run. Against an aggresive fighter he should by now be relaxed enough to just pivot around and take a step to the side (prime Roy Jones is a perfect example of this sort of move) it can take a fighter, even one with good footwork themselves off their game... and also leaves them open to being hit with whatever you want.

Khan also shockingly doesn't seem to know how to throw a simple one - two combination coming forward? he always seems to wait too long before he throws his first jab after he has taken the step forward, it's really simple stuff. David Haye is a perfect example of how to do this correctly. Some of Khan's game is so amateur like it's incrdible. It's his amazing speed, conditioning and no doubt top level sparring at the wildcard which has got him where he is. I hope he improves.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:26 AM   #56
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Good point, when the speed goes how do you see Nonito doing? can he settle and become more settled and steady behind the abc's of boxing. Or you think he might struggle?.
I think he has enough sound fundamentals to get him by. He has a good set up, good footwork, throws punches properly etc. But what he'll struggle with is avoiding punches like he does now and baiting fighters with his reflexes and athleticism. He won't get away with leading with hooks for example like does now as much. Although Donaire is a bit of a chameleone as we like to say, i've actually seen him practising little things and different styles and stances in fights. And unlike a lot of fighters who rely on athleticism, he can roll with punches properly. We saw how he could sit on the ropes in his last fight in spots. Make you miss and make you pay in a conventional style. I think he has the ability and adaptability skills to change up his style, if his legs and reflexes slow down. But he'll definitely get hit more. It maybe starting to happen already now, and inactivity is probably a part of that. For someone with his style he needs to stay sharp. But he has a good mix of athletcism/reflexes and sound fundamentals to not fall off suddenly.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:34 AM   #57
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The jab was the only punch I would ever attempt to parry, I never felt comfortable doing it, I prefered to block it, try to roll with it, or simply move away from it.

remember how easily mayweather used the jab to draw a parry attempt from hatton only to slash across that lead left hook when hattons hand dropped? he just did that over and over again
Parrying can block right hands and uppercuts. It's all about staying in position like Joe Louis did but these guys don't do it anymore.
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Robinson vs. Burley lads?

People like to say Robinson ducked Burley (mainly because of the polite things he said about as tongue in cheek, but also because he had major respect for him and he wasn't the trash talking type).

I think it's nonsense to be honest.
Agreed. Nonsense. Burley was a tough style for him but this is Sugar we are talking about.
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Agreed. Nonsense. Burley was a tough style for him but this is Sugar we are talking about.
Yep. Not to mention that Burley and almost all the members of the black murderers row were slightly before his time. Burley was older and also a lot bigger than Robinson. People feel for Burley and rightly so, so they look at Robinson and say he didn't give him a title shot which is wrong. Cerdan and Zale are to blame they were the middleweight champs in Burley's era. And later even Lamotta before Ray Robinson was.

Robinson wasn't in his division and was younger. It's like saying Mayweather or Pacquiao are ducking Pavlik when he was the middleweight champ or Martinez now. You can't duck what's not in your radar.
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