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Old 02-06-2012, 12:16 PM   #61
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I think Khan's footwork isn't all that great either (obviously better than Maidanda's) when he is put under pressure he runs... and I mean literally! a fighter at his level shouldn't run. Against an aggresive fighter he should by now be relaxed enough to just pivot around and take a step to the side (prime Roy Jones is a perfect example of this sort of move) it can take a fighter, even one with good footwork themselves off their game... and also leaves them open to being hit with whatever you want.

Khan also shockingly doesn't seem to know how to throw a simple one - two combination coming forward? he always seems to wait too long before he throws his first jab after he has taken the step forward, it's really simple stuff. David Haye is a perfect example of how to do this correctly. Some of Khan's game is so amateur like it's incrdible. It's his amazing speed, conditioning and no doubt top level sparring at the wildcard which has got him where he is. I hope he improves.
I've given up on some of Khan's flaws. I don't think he can change them as they're too ingrained.

He should just concentrate on what he CAN change.

Two things for me that he can work on and improve.

- Work on his feet, get better educated footwork and learn to box in tight circles. For a man who relies on his feet so much it's criminal how bad his footwork is. He also circles into punches and goes far too wide, giving off a running impression and trapping himself in pressure points. So he can at least learn to box in tighter circles and get underneath big shots.

- Vary the speed and look of his punches. Khan's main advantage is his speed. He's giving this up by fighting at the same pace CONSTANTLY. He needs to throw curve balls and mix up his attack in terms of how fast he's throwing his punches. What's happening now is his opponents are getting used to his speed after a while and figure him out because everything is being done at one pace. Like a fast bawler in cricket ALWAYS throwing the same fast balls in the same position of the pitch at the batsman. Eventually the batsman is ganna get used to that pace attack and start hitting him all over the pitch. That what's happening to Khan. He needs to vary the speed of his punches. Take something off them and then put something on. I guarentee he would get more stoppages because the suprise element would be there and he would also keep people off him.

There's a couple other things he can improve. Like learning how to avoid certain punches such as the uppercut, but the rest that people go on about is kind of academic at this stage because it's too chronic and deep-rooted. It will ALWAYS be in him.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:44 PM   #62
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the charlie burley video was an absolute treat and it got me thinking too.

no good cutting the ring off. no defence aside from holding hands high and the poor tyson impression. people dont catch shots with the open glove anymore (maybe more difficult since thumbs became attached), not much slipping, bending at the waist thinking its defence but really just getting out of position because fighters cant use subtle footwork instead of the ridiculous 'bouncing' thats become the fashion.

sound like that wanka fleaman but bloody hell boxing is the worse for it. (styles make fights as we know, and with loads of similar styles, less good fights)
Totally agree P, It's really sad. Even likes of Paul Ingle had some skills and method to madness.

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I think Khan's footwork isn't all that great either (obviously better than Maidanda's) when he is put under pressure he runs... and I mean literally! a fighter at his level shouldn't run. Against an aggresive fighter he should by now be relaxed enough to just pivot around and take a step to the side (prime Roy Jones is a perfect example of this sort of move) it can take a fighter, even one with good footwork themselves off their game... and also leaves them open to being hit with whatever you want.

Khan also shockingly doesn't seem to know how to throw a simple one - two combination coming forward? he always seems to wait too long before he throws his first jab after he has taken the step forward, it's really simple stuff. David Haye is a perfect example of how to do this correctly. Some of Khan's game is so amateur like it's incrdible. It's his amazing speed, conditioning and no doubt top level sparring at the wildcard which has got him where he is. I hope he improves.
He has happy feet, the kid is extremely nervous before bouts if you watch his reaction to beating MAB it's relief. He fights off nervous energy and the problem is he's so ingrained into amateur style of boxing he's struggled to adapt to professional fighting aka the hurt business.

Roach for all his good work, hasn't developed other aspects of Amir's game such as inside work and educated footwork.

I think to much of Roach's work is catered to the opponent and how to beat the opponent. Amir's got a lot of temporary aspects to game that i felt might of been used for 1-2 fights but seem to be used all the time such as covering up earmuffs head down and hope for best.

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I think he has enough sound fundamentals to get him by. He has a good set up, good footwork, throws punches properly etc. But what he'll struggle with is avoiding punches like he does now and baiting fighters with his reflexes and athleticism. He won't get away with leading with hooks for example like does now as much. Although Donaire is a bit of a chameleone as we like to say, i've actually seen him practising little things and different styles and stances in fights. And unlike a lot of fighters who rely on athleticism, he can roll with punches properly. We saw how he could sit on the ropes in his last fight in spots. Make you miss and make you pay in a conventional style. I think he has the ability and adaptability skills to change up his style, if his legs and reflexes slow down. But he'll definitely get hit more. It maybe starting to happen already now, and inactivity is probably a part of that. For someone with his style he needs to stay sharp. But he has a good mix of athletcism/reflexes and sound fundamentals to not fall off suddenly.
Yeah i agree with this.

I loved his early work on Saturday, got a lot to improve on which is scary .
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:47 PM   #63
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Great thread!!
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:50 PM   #64
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I think to much of Roach's work is catered to the opponent and how to beat the opponent. Amir's got a lot of temporary aspects to game that i felt might of been used for 1-2 fights but seem to be used all the time such as covering up earmuffs head down and hope for best.
This maybe a little controversial, Mand. But looking at him on a purely technical note i don't see what Freddie has added that a trainer on these shores couldn't. Apart from the MUCH better superior conditioning which is crucial for him and moving up in weight of course.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:57 PM   #65
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I've given up on some of Khan's flaws. I don't think he can change them as they're too ingrained.

He should just concentrate on what he CAN change.

Two things for me that he can work on and improve.

- Work on his feet, get better educated footwork and learn to box in tight circles. For a man who relies on his feet so much it's criminal how bad his footwork is. He also circles into punches and goes far too wide, giving off a running impression and trapping himself in pressure points. So he can at least learn to box in tighter circles and get underneath big shots.

- Vary the speed and look of his punches. Khan's main advantage is his speed. He's giving this up by fighting at the same pace CONSTANTLY. He needs to throw curve balls and mix up his attack in terms of how fast he's throwing his punches. What's happening now is his opponents are getting used to his speed after a while and figure him out because everything is being done at one pace. Like a fast bawler in cricket ALWAYS throwing the same fast balls in the same position of the pitch at the batsman. Eventually the batsman is ganna get used to that pace attack and start hitting him all over the pitch. That what's happening to Khan. He needs to vary the speed of his punches. Take something off them and then put something on. I guarentee he would get more stoppages because the suprise element would be there and he would also keep people off him.

There's a couple other things he can improve. Like learning how to avoid certain punches such as the uppercut, but the rest that people go on about is kind of academic at this stage because it's too chronic and deep-rooted. It will ALWAYS be in him.
Khan doesn't have gears. I think he is an automatic.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:03 PM   #66
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You're right, mate. But it's something he can improve. You can learn to settle down and throw curve balls and not fight at the same frenetic pace. You can also learn to box in small, tight circles. Other things are pointless mentioning because he won't learn them. A case of not being able to change his spots in those other areas.
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I like black & white footage.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:16 PM   #68
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I love analysing technical aspects of boxing. I'm gunna get ready for the Liverpool game now so I'll have to contribute afterwards though.
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I'll contribute when I'm not steaming and 6000 miles away.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:36 PM   #70
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I'll contribute when I'm not steaming and 6000 miles away.
where are you?

Also, in Liverpool 'steaming' means horny haha, I know that everywhere else it means drunk, but it always makes me laugh when I see people using the word.

How's it going lad?
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:41 PM   #71
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I'm that as well In Thailand, so both meanings apply La'

Looking forward to reading through this thread tomorrow, as y'all know I have little time for today's 'technicians' and have reasoning to back it up, same as Slip.
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i'm that as well in thailand, so both meanings apply la' :d

looking forward to reading through this thread tomorrow, as y'all know i have little time for today's 'technicians' and have reasoning to back it up, same as slip.
go and get yourself a dam thai prostitute and demolish her life! Have a good one lad

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Old 02-06-2012, 02:47 PM   #73
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Best technical advice I ever heard- "As me old sergeant major used to say-Get in there, banjo the bastard and **** off out of it!"
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Great thread. Bookmarked.

Look forward to reading on as this one grows.

Anymore vids like the ones posted of Burley and Ezzard Charles, post em up. Was a pleasure to watch a boxing highlight vid without slow motion KOs spliced up like a Van Damme flick.
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Great thread. Bookmarked.

Look forward to reading on as this one grows.

Anymore vids like the ones posted of Burley and Ezzard Charles, post em up. Was a pleasure to watch a boxing highlight vid without slow motion KOs spliced up like a Van Damme flick.
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