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Old 03-04-2012, 03:48 PM   #31
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Do you not think Wlad would be beaten by Tyson before he enters the ring?
I do not. Have you ever seen Wlad intimidated? I guess it's possible - there's never been someone with his aura in this era - but I just doubt he's any less steely entering the ring. If he gets nailed early, that would fluster him and give Tyson an edge, but I'm not sure that would happen. First off, Tyson had trouble reaching up to hit guys who were 6'5" and up. He's such a short dude that he couldn't get nearly as much leverage on his punches when aiming high. Second, he was always susceptible to getting clinched, and he generally lost fights where his opponents could do that effectively. I think he tries to get in there and tag the chin, but fails 4 times out of 5.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:53 PM   #32
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LOL at ppl calling Wlad-Lewis a 50/50. Lewis is better at EVERYTHING than Wlad and he also has an inside game and some guile. I can't be arsed to go through the rest of the list, Wlad's never beaten anyone remotely comparable to anyone on there, and he labours to late KO's against guys on that list would have knocked out quickly.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:54 PM   #33
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LOL at ppl calling Wlad-Lewis a 50/50. Lewis is better at EVERYTHING than Wlad and he also has an inside game and some guile. I can't be arsed to go through the rest of the list, Wlad's never beaten anyone remotely comparable to anyone on there, and he labours to late KO's against guys on that list would have knocked out quickly.
anything is possible.... i think lennox would take the majority

but all it takes is a power 1-2 from wlad on lennox chin, or a nasty left hook to knock him out
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:59 PM   #34
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He became the man in the HW division when he beated Corrie Sanders.

I don't think he is considered by most to have been the lineal HW champ because of that fight.

I guess it also depends how a person defines establishing a new lineage once the current champ retires as Lewis did.


BTW--why is Bowe not on the list? He had more claim as a lineal champ than VK did.
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:02 PM   #35
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I don't think he is considered by most to have been the lineal HW champ because of that fight.

I guess it also depends how a person defines establishing a new lineage once the current champ retires as Lewis did.


BTW--why is Bowe not on the list? He had more claim as a lineal champ than VK did.
lineal titles mean **** all anyways.

What kind of system puts more stock in briggs vs Foreman than Holyfield vs Tyson?

Insanity.
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:03 PM   #36
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I think Wladimir murders Dempsey. Too good on the outside and too strong on the inside.

Tyson is interesting. It seems equally likely to me that Tyson will stop Wlad in two as Wlad jabbing and Clinching until Tyson tires beofre stopping him around 10. Can't pick.
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:44 PM   #37
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LOL at ppl calling Wlad-Lewis a 50/50. Lewis is better at EVERYTHING than Wlad and he also has an inside game and some guile. I can't be arsed to go through the rest of the list, Wlad's never beaten anyone remotely comparable to anyone on there, and he labours to late KO's against guys on that list would have knocked out quickly.
Wlad is a better defensive fighter and, while he gets hurt easier than Lennox, has better recuperative abilities.

The more I think about it though, the more I favor Lewis. I think his greater aggression would make the difference.
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:54 PM   #38
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Vitali Klitschko TKO7 Wladimir
Lennox Lewis TKO5 Wladimir
Mike Tyson KO2 Wladimir
Larry Holmes MD12 Wladimir
Muhammad Ali UD12 Wladimir
George Foreman KO3 Wladimir
Joe Louis TKO12 Wladimir

Wladimir UD12 Evander Holyfield
Wladimir UD12 Joe Frazier
Wladimir UD12 Sonny Liston
Wladimir TKO9 Floyd Patterson
Wladimir UD12 Rocky Marciano
Wladimir KO8 Jack Dempsey
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:09 PM   #39
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Wladimr vs:
Vitali Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version)
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Muhammed Ali (60's version)
Sonny Liston
Floyd Patterson
Rocky Marciano
Joe Louis
Jack Dempsey

How would you predict the outcomes of these fights?
Vitali ko by6
Lewis ko by 5
Holyfield LUD
Tyson ko by2
Holmes Ko by 10
Ali LUD
Foreman k by 3
Frazier ko by 7
Ali- LUD
Liston k0 by 4
Patterson WLAD ko6
Marciano ko by7
Louis Ko by 3
Dempsey Ko by 2

So Wlad wins one.




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Old 03-04-2012, 05:16 PM   #40
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Wladimr vs:
Vitali Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version)
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Muhammed Ali (60's version)
Sonny Liston
Floyd Patterson
Rocky Marciano
Joe Louis
Jack Dempsey

How would you predict the outcomes of these fights?
Vitali Klitschko -W12
Lennox Lewis - KO by 6
Evander Holyfield - W12
Mike Tyson - KO by 3
Larry Holmes - KO by 10
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version) - L12
George Foreman - KO by 2
Joe Frazier - KO by 7
Muhammed Ali (60's version) - L12
Sonny Liston - KO by 5
Floyd Patterson - KO6
Rocky Marciano - TKO 9
Joe Louis - KO by 6
Jack Dempsey - KO by 8
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Vitali Klitschko: Vitali KO 11
Lennox Lewis: Lewis KO 4
Evander Holyfield: Holyfield UD
Mike Tyson: Tyson TKO 1
Larry Holmes: Holmes UD
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version): Ali UD
George Foreman: Foreman TKO 2
Joe Frazier: Frazier TKO 3
Muhammed Ali (60's version): Ali in a dominating one sided UD
Sonny Liston: Liston KO 7
Floyd Patterson: Wladimir in a close probably MD or SD
Rocky Marciano: Marciano TKO 5
Joe Louis: Louis KO 5
Jack Dempsey: Dempsey TKO 4
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:25 PM   #42
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Wladimr vs:
Vitali Klitschko; Wladimir via close Dec
Lennox Lewis, 50/50 fight
Evander Holyfield, wladimir via late ko
Mike Tyson, tyson via early ko
Larry Holmes, wlad by wide decision or late tko
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version), wlad by ko
George Foreman, wlad by late ko
Joe Frazier, wlad by early ko
Muhammed Ali (60's version), wlad by close decision
Sonny Liston, wlad via late ko
Floyd Patterson, wlad by raping
Rocky Marciano, wlad by raping
Joe Louis, wlad by late ko
Jack Dempsey, wlad by raping
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:29 PM   #43
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Wladimr vs:
Vitali Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version)
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Muhammed Ali (60's version)
Sonny Liston
Floyd Patterson
Rocky Marciano
Joe Louis
Jack Dempsey

How would you predict the outcomes of these fights?
He would do well against all except young Ali, young Foreman, Lennox Lewis, his own brother and prime Evander Holifield.
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:40 PM   #44
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Vitali Klitschko TKO7 Wladimir
Lennox Lewis TKO5 Wladimir
Mike Tyson KO2 Wladimir
Larry Holmes MD12 Wladimir
Muhammad Ali UD12 Wladimir
George Foreman KO3 Wladimir
Joe Louis TKO12 Wladimir

Wladimir UD12 Evander Holyfield
Wladimir UD12 Joe Frazier
Wladimir UD12 Sonny Liston
Wladimir TKO9 Floyd Patterson
Wladimir UD12 Rocky Marciano
Wladimir KO8 Jack Dempsey
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:57 PM   #45
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Lennox beats Wlad-Ali wins-Foreman wins-Holmes in his prima wins. Wlad is good in this garbage era but I still question his heart when pushed hard which hasn't really happened much.
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