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Old 03-04-2012, 07:06 PM   #46
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Lennox KO's Wlad 99 times out of 100.
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:16 PM   #47
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Vitali Klitschko TKO7 Wladimir
Lennox Lewis TKO5 Wladimir
Mike Tyson KO2 Wladimir
Larry Holmes MD12 Wladimir
Muhammad Ali UD12 Wladimir
George Foreman KO3 Wladimir
Joe Louis TKO12 Wladimir

Wladimir UD12 Evander Holyfield
Wladimir UD12 Joe Frazier
Wladimir UD12 Sonny Liston
Wladimir TKO9 Floyd Patterson
Wladimir UD12 Rocky Marciano
Wladimir KO8 Jack Dempsey

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Old 03-04-2012, 08:03 PM   #48
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Vitali Klitschko- either mid round stoppage by Vit or Wlad UD
Lennox Lewis- Lewis by mid rounds KO.
Evander Holyfield- Holyfield by UD
Mike Tyson- Tyson by KO2
Larry Holmes- Holmes by late TKO 11 (a lot of people forget he has one of the best KO ratios in heavyweight champ fights ever)
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version)- Ali by UD
George Foreman- Foreman KO 1
Joe Frazier- Frazier KO 3
Muhammed Ali (60's version)- Ali UD
Sonny Liston- Liston KO 4
Floyd Patterson- Wlad KO's Patterson in about 6
Rocky Marciano- Wlad UD
Joe Louis- Louis by KO 4
Jack Dempsey- Dempsey by KO 1
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:51 PM   #49
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Dempsey is too small and crude for someone like Wlad.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:53 PM   #50
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Id say he beats most of them

he doesnt definitely beat them all or definitely lose to all

i have a hard time seeing many dealing with the jab and footwork and size
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:54 PM   #51
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Dempsey is too small and crude for someone like Wlad.
Size could obviously be an issue, but Dempsey's skills were in no way "crude"
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:13 PM   #52
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Size could obviously be an issue, but Dempsey's skills were in no way "crude"
Maybe not for his era, but I think that if you saw a fighter today who fought with Dempsey's style, you'd probably call him a crude fighter. He did a lot of things that trainers tell their fighters not to do, but was able to be very successful on the basis of guts, natural talent and pure aggression.
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:17 PM   #53
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Dempsey is too small and crude for someone like Wlad.

you've never watched a dempsey fight have you? dude was not crude, he was good at parrying shots, slipping punches and master at brutal infighting at a savage pace. Wlads absolute cryponite is an infighter that's aggressive, powerful, fast. Wlad cannot fight on ther inside and wouldn't be able to keep Dempsey at bay.
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:44 PM   #54
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you've never watched a dempsey fight have you? dude was not crude, he was good at parrying shots, slipping punches and master at brutal infighting at a savage pace. Wlads absolute cryponite is an infighter that's aggressive, powerful, fast. Wlad cannot fight on ther inside and wouldn't be able to keep Dempsey at bay.
He also jumped in off-balance, often threw caution to the wind and left himself off balance to be picked off by counters (which he generally avoided because he just happened to be quicker and have better reflexes than most of his opponents). Crude might not completely be the right word, but you're making it sound like he fought like Nicolino Locche or perhaps Rafael Marquez or someone like that, when his modern day analog is probably something closer to Roman Gonzalez or Edwin Valero, both of whom have been called crude from time to time (although quite obviously Dempsey mastered that style much more than the modern folks, although on the other hand actually being smaller than most of his better opponents proved to be an advantage for him because of that style).

And before someone says it, yes I realize Marquez and Locche fought nothing alike. That's just two different ways of interpreting the style that was being described. I think everything in that description is accurate, but he still was just so awkward sometimes that it almost looked like he didn't know what he was doing, even though he was a master at it.

I also don't think just about anyone would argue that Wlad is a lot better than Jess Willard ever was.

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Old 03-04-2012, 11:21 PM   #55
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I also don't think just about anyone would argue that Wlad is a lot better than Jess Willard ever was.

just like no one would argue that Dempsey is far better than Brewster/Sanders and Purrity put together.

Dempsey was far better defensively than Valero, the only recent fighter who has a style somewhat reminiscent of Dempseys was early Tyson....I agree he sometimes came in off balanced winging shots but the guys chin was Damn good and he often fought sloppier vs opponents he knew couldn't hurt him or outfox him vs better technicians like Tunney you'll notice he didn't throw as much caution to the wind. and it'll take more than a 1-2 from Wlad to stop him, not to mention Dempsey was very skilled at getting inside on bigger guys, if he gets inside wlads range with his ferocity and Wlads total lack of infighting ability I see a Dempsey KO.
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:23 PM   #56
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Vitali Klitschko: Vitali KO 11
Lennox Lewis: Lewis KO 4
Evander Holyfield: Holyfield UD
Mike Tyson: Tyson TKO 1
Larry Holmes: Holmes UD
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version): Ali UD
George Foreman: Foreman TKO 2
Joe Frazier: Frazier TKO 3
Muhammed Ali (60's version): Ali in a dominating one sided UD
Sonny Liston: Liston KO 7
Floyd Patterson: Wladimir in a close probably MD or SD
Rocky Marciano: Marciano TKO 5
Joe Louis: Louis KO 5
Jack Dempsey: Dempsey TKO 4
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:27 PM   #57
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Vitali Klitschko: Wladimir SD
Lennox Lewis: Wladimir KO2
Evander Holyfield: Wladimir TKO2
Mike Tyson: Wladimir DQ2
Larry Holmes: Wladimir TKO3
Muhammed Ali ( 70's version): Wladimir TKO4
George Foreman: Wladimir TKO2
Joe Frazier: Wladimir KO1
Muhammed Ali (60's version): Wladimir TKO5
Sonny Liston: Wladimir KO1
Floyd Patterson: Wladimir KO1
Rocky Marciano: Wladimir KO1
Joe Louis: Wladimir KO1
Jack Dempsey: Wladimir KO1
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:32 PM   #58
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OK wlad would be killed by dempsey and tyson I dont know why were even debating that one lol, Dempsey would make what he did to jess willard look tame compared what he'd do to wlad and Tyson shatters that china chin with in four rounds
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:19 AM   #59
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just like no one would argue that Dempsey is far better than Brewster/Sanders and Purrity put together.

Dempsey was far better defensively than Valero, the only recent fighter who has a style somewhat reminiscent of Dempseys was early Tyson....I agree he sometimes came in off balanced winging shots but the guys chin was Damn good and he often fought sloppier vs opponents he knew couldn't hurt him or outfox him vs better technicians like Tunney you'll notice he didn't throw as much caution to the wind. and it'll take more than a 1-2 from Wlad to stop him, not to mention Dempsey was very skilled at getting inside on bigger guys, if he gets inside wlads range with his ferocity and Wlads total lack of infighting ability I see a Dempsey KO.
Wasn't Dempsey knocked out cold by a factory worker 10 sec into the fight?
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:31 AM   #60
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How do you think Dempsey would do against Purity and Brewster. Now **** off and close the door on the way out.

wtf does that have to do with Wlad vs Dempsey you ****ing inbreed retard?

Do you see Wlad getting ktfo in 1 round by Jim Flynn?


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