ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division - P4P Survey Updated in October 2011

[Flea Man]

Hearns ranks highly based on his mental career! Welter to Light Heavy at the top level.

Liston ranks outside the top 10 Heavys for me, so gets nowhere on my top 100.

Jones gets somewhere in the top 100. But nowhere near the top 10 in any of the classic 8.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Hearns ranks highly based on his mental career! Welter to Light Heavy at the top level.

Liston ranks outside the top 10 Heavys for me, so gets nowhere on my top 100.

Jones gets somewhere in the top 100. But nowhere near the top 10 in any of the classic 8.

Where do you rank hearns as a ww?

Liston is also outside my top ten despite being my number 2 h2h hw.

Jones is in my top ten lhw i'm almost 100% sure of it. I think he's my number 3 smw also.

I understand why people don't include any mythical h2h bonus, I just think it's fun to compile and is a valid criteria towards an encompassing criteria (eventually an encompassing formula )

[Flea Man]

I'd like to rank him higher, but 7-10 is fair IMO.

H2H: the best bar Robinson most probably (and Leonard, begrudgingly)

Only a select few that beat him there IMO.

What do you think of Muangsurins chin against Hearns? Past his best, out of his best weight against the most intimidating physical freak and devastating puncher in the divisions history, hit clean constantly....finished on his feet

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

I'd like to rank him higher, but 7-10 is fair IMO.

H2H: the best bar Robinson most probably (and Leonard, begrudgingly)

Only a select few that beat him there IMO.

What do you think of Muangsurins chin against Hearns? Past his best, out of his best weight against the most intimidating physical freak and devastating puncher in the divisions history, hit clean constantly....finished on his feet

I think it's one of them times when a fighter just says "i'm not being knocked out" and hearns could have wailed on him for another 50 rounds and fatigue aside there's no way tommy stops him.

[Flea Man]

Well, he would've killed him.

His chin was insane, but the fights against Monroe Brooks and Sang-Hyun Kim had taken the edge off of his durability. He was still ridiculously tough though, possible already blind in one eye as well.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Well, he would've killed him.

His chin was insane, but the fights against Monroe Brooks and Sang-Hyun Kim had taken the edge off of his durability. He was still ridiculously tough though, possible already blind in one eye as well.

And that is the sad irony with boxing, guys with great chins end up taking the worse punishment and suffer the most long term.

People who can get sparked every few fights like jason litzao will be fine in the long run.

[Flea Man]

And yet George Chuvalo is alright Great clip where he discredits his actual chin and said how he was underrated for rolling with shots and just had a well-built chest!

I've seen him take shit loads of punches regardless And he's alright really, madness. Remember Foreman teeing off on him?!?

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

And yet George Chuvalo is alright Great clip where he discredits his actual chin and said how he was underrated for rolling with shots and just had a well-built chest!

I've seen him take shit loads of punches regardless And he's alright really, madness. Remember Foreman teeing off on him?!?

Yeah he had a diamond chin that man. I've not seen the bonavena fight but apparently he dropped him?

[TAC602]

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[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Mike Tyson making that list is ridiculous.

Holyfield deserves to be above him and move Frazier up to 9

Also I'd rather see Tunney above Charles.

Other than that i can't really complain. Props for going through the process

[Foreman Hook]

Originally Posted by Rattler

Mike Tyson making that list is ridiculous.

Nope - Jack "The Manassa Myth" Dempsey making that list is fucking ridiculous.

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by Foreman Hook

Nope - Jack "The Manassa Myth" Dempsey making that list is fucking ridiculous.

I'm not that sold on Dempsey either. Who do you put instead of Dempsey and Tyson (if your taking him out)

[Foreman Hook]

Originally Posted by Webbiano

I'm not that sold on Dempsey either. Who do you put instead of Dempsey and Tyson (if your taking him out)

1. GOAT Ali

2. Lion Lenny Lewis

3. Notorious B.I.G.G.G (Big. Invincible. Giant. G. George) Foreman

4. Joey "Bum of teh Month" Louis

5. Smokey Joe Frazier

6. WARRIOR Holyfield

7. Rocco "Italian Stallion" Marciano

8. "Jelly" Lazza "Habitual Ducker" Holmes

9. King Kenny Norton (for deserving 2 wins VS GOAT Ali, And a draw with Prime Holmes)

10. "Midget Lisp" Tinkerbell Tyson



Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by Foreman Hook

1. GOAT Ali

2. Lion Lenny Lewis

3. Notorious B.I.G.G.G (Big. Invincible. Giant. G. George) Foreman

4. Joey "Bum of teh Month" Louis

5. Smokey Joe Frazier

6. WARRIOR Holyfield

7. Rocco "Italian Stallion" Marciano

8. "Jelly" Lazza "Habitual Ducker" Holmes

9. King Kenny Norton (for deserving 2 wins VS GOAT Ali, And a draw with Prime Holmes)

10. "Midget Lisp" Tinkerbell Tyson

Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!

very different to many I see on ESB. Different is good though

I feel Holmes is a little low, I'd swap Lewis with Louis, jack Johnson go in there and Marciano a bit higher IMO. I like your inclusion of Norton though, very underrated fighter

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Yeah he had a diamond chin that man. I've not seen the bonavena fight but apparently he dropped him?

it's really more of a push but it came after a punch and it may have been that george was stunned enough for oscar's shove to take him down