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Old 03-22-2012, 01:02 PM   #16
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Antuofermo was past it when Hagler beat him, unles it's the Draw version you're counting as a win, like Leonard.

Hmmmmm........... I have the same early-morning excuse Dave does, I guess. I made it a list of the best they fought, not beat. Didn't read the title properly.........
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:35 PM   #17
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Robinson

LaMotta
Fullmer
Olson
Abrams
Turpin

(Basilio might be a better pick than Turpin)

Monzon


Benvenuti
Valdez
Fernandez
Griffith
Bouttier

Hagler

Hearns
Leonard (imo)
Roldan
Hamsho
Antuofermo (first fight)

As Mante said, Hagler has quite a few interchangeables, with the likes of Sibson, Duran, Minter, Mugabi etc.

Looking at those lists I'd go Robinson a clear no.1, with Hagler and Monzon pretty close, but perhaps the slightest of edges to Monzon.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:47 PM   #18
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I think robinson quite clearly has the better win list at mw to be honest.

What lets him down is his consistency, although I think it was only maxim, turpin and lamotta beat a prime roy.

However because he came back from retirement and was slightly past prime he never put on a consistent winning run. Which is where the other two have a massive advantage.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:54 PM   #19
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Robinson

LaMotta
Fullmer
Olson
Abrams
Turpin

(Basilio might be a better pick than Turpin)

Monzon


Benvenuti
Valdez
Fernandez
Griffith
Bouttier

Hagler

Hearns
Leonard (imo)
Roldan
Hamsho
Antuofermo (first fight)

As Mante said, Hagler has quite a few interchangeables, with the likes of Sibson, Duran, Minter, Mugabi etc.

Looking at those lists I'd go Robinson a clear no.1, with Hagler and Monzon pretty close, but perhaps the slightest of edges to Monzon.

I like Fernandez but i think that he is one of those guys where the numbers on his resume makes him look better than he is.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:56 PM   #20
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I like Fernandez but i think that he is one of those guys where the numbers on his resume makes him look better than he is.
Definitely, but it doesn't change the fact that in my mind, he got the better of Griffith twice.
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Old 03-22-2012, 02:00 PM   #21
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Fernandez was very good imo.He usually gets forgotten as a Monzon opponent and was past his peak, though he was still highly regarded at the time in Argentina.Those would be really interesting fights to see, as a passing of the torch kind of thing.
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Old 03-22-2012, 02:05 PM   #22
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Fernandez had a lot of padding (as the Argie's do) but fought a few old contenders and two ATG's (a total of what, five times or summat?) so I think it's clear he was a quality fighter and a good contender. Monzon's best 'early' wins IMO.
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Old 03-22-2012, 03:19 PM   #23
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I think so, although i only rate him at middleweight because of his performance against Hagler so i guess its a bit of a paradox
Beating Barkley five years later should also count for him.
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Beating Barkley five years later should also count for him.
Yes but i was only counting fighters on their worth at the point of fighting the 3 guys in question including the fight.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:45 PM   #25
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I've seen Licata and Bouttier ranked over Briscoe. Let's hear why.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:55 PM   #26
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Robinson: Fullmer, LaMotta, Olson, Turpin, and either Villemain or Basilio.

Monzon: Valdez, Briscoe, Benvenuti, Griffith, and either Mundine or Bogs.

Hagler: Hearns, Roldan, Hamsho, Sibson, and Minter. Mugabi could definitely be argued. Duran as well, I suppose.
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[quote=salsanchezfan;12393488]Robinson:

Lamotta
Fullmer
Turpin
Giardello

Robinson didn't hold a victory over Joey Giardello. They did meet in 1963 with Giardello winning rather easily.
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Robinson:

Lamotta
Fullmer
Turpin
Giardello

Robinson didn't hold a victory over Joey Giardello. They did meet in 1963 with Giardello winning rather easily.

I know; see my comment above.
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:00 PM   #29
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At middleweight there is no comparison. If you count 168. Ray fought
Hearns
Duran,
Lalonde but Lalonde was a trick to get two titles and get Lalonde weak at 168 and win his 175 title. I love Ray but I never can say he really won those 2 titles that night. He just wanted to keep up with Tommy.
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:24 PM   #30
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Minteer always looked very ordinary to me. I would bet my life that Roldan was much superor to Minter. The only reason Minter gets mention is that he held the title but to a man, Roldan would butcher him. So would Hearns
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