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Old 03-22-2012, 02:36 PM   #1
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Default Why do people seem to hold the ****ell fight against Marciano?

I been wondering that after viewing a few post.

Every champion has a easy defense here or there. Louis had his Paychecks, Ali had his Wepners and Williams, (Super shot) Tyson had his Marvin Frazier, and Holmes had his list of lesser contenders.

It was not like Rocky was not faceing the best out there, He did have 2 back to back fights with Walcott, a win over Roland, back to back wars vs Charles, and one would think after 5 fights against number 1 contenders, Rocky Marciano earn a give me title defense?

No one brings this up in regards to Dempsey, Ali or Louis or even Lewis.

But in regards to Marciano? You never hear the end to it.
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Old 03-22-2012, 02:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: Why do people seem to hold the ****ell fight against Marciano?

I think you're way off the mark here.

The one saving grace of rocky's career is his outstanding championship run with respect to his era. Valdes aside he beat every number 1 contender of his reign.

The issue with don is that he's the one opponent who wasn't ranked above nino.

Rocky is well regarded as one of the more comprehensive champions in history.

The thing most people hold against him is his mythical h2h weaknesses and his lack of victories against guys who would be today called heavyweights.
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Old 03-22-2012, 02:49 PM   #3
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I think you're way off the mark here.

The one saving grace of rocky's career is his outstanding championship run with respect to his era. Valdes aside he beat every number 1 contender of his reign.

The issue with don is that he's the one opponent who wasn't ranked above nino.

Rocky is well regarded as one of the more comprehensive champions in history.

The thing most people hold against him is his mythical h2h weaknesses and his lack of victories against guys who would be today called heavyweights.
Maybe, but the ****ell fight vs Valdes is the main reason for gripe over Marciano's rein. Yes Valdes did earn the shot over ****ell, but I think Marciano should have gotting a easy one after that run to the title, than the run going into the ****ell fight.

Valdes would have gotting his shot perhaps had he waited instand of rushing into the Moore fight. But people bring this one up compare to Valdes not getting his title shot(Or the Ezzard Charles debate if he was the "True" number 1 contender.)
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Maybe, but the ****ell fight vs Valdes is the main reason for gripe over Marciano's rein. Yes Valdes did earn the shot over ****ell, but I think Marciano should have gotting a easy one after that run to the title, than the run going into the ****ell fight.

Valdes would have gotting his shot perhaps had he waited instand of rushing into the Moore fight. But people bring this one up compare to Valdes not getting his title shot(Or the Ezzard Charles debate if he was the "True" number 1 contender.)
Ofcourse it's the main reason; had he fought nino instead, he'd have beaten every number 1 contender and that would have significantly improved his standing.

It's not so much anger as angst.

Another shame for his career is that floyd beat moore. Had archie beat patterson rocky's standing would improve moreso.
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Old 03-22-2012, 03:02 PM   #5
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I been wondering that after viewing a few post.

Every champion has a easy defense here or there. Louis had his Paychecks, Ali had his Wepners and Williams, (Super shot) Tyson had his Marvin Frazier, and Holmes had his list of lesser contenders.

It was not like Rocky was not faceing the best out there, He did have 2 back to back fights with Walcott, a win over Roland, back to back wars vs Charles, and one would think after 5 fights against number 1 contenders, Rocky Marciano earn a give me title defense?

No one brings this up in regards to Dempsey, Ali or Louis or even Lewis.

But in regards to Marciano? You never hear the end to it.
I think the ****ell defence was a try out for Rocky's nose ,injured against Charles in their second fight.
Rocky got a bit of stick for letting ****ell stay around as long as he did , but as he had fought top challengers, I don't think it was anything too heavy.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:19 PM   #6
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1) Don ****ell looked like this:
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2) Before finally stopping ****ell, Rocky threw every meaningful legal punch, even more illegal punches and even this:
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:16 PM   #7
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It was a fair fight, the English dont know American fighting. ( Why we are 2-0 against them in wars)

Sure there may have been a punch that weave here or there, but over all Marciano beat him fair. The rabbit punch before the knockdown ****ell turn into that.

As for being hit down, the punch was all ready on its way and Marciano could not stop it.(His own words on the down punch.)
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It was a fair fight, the English dont know American fighting. ( Why we are 2-0 against them in wars)

Sure there may have been a punch that weave here or there, but over all Marciano beat him fair. The rabbit punch before the knockdown ****ell turn into that.

As for being hit down, the punch was all ready on its way and Marciano could not stop it.(His own words on the down punch.)
WE get in wars at the start, not halfway through.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:00 PM   #9
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Seamus, are you ****ing high?




Rocky doesn't have a loss. ****ell is by far his worst filmed performance. So it takes on a meaning in people's minds that maybe it shouldn't.
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Seamus, are you ****ing high?
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Rocky doesn't have a loss. ****ell is by far his worst filmed performance. So it takes on a meaning in people's minds that maybe it shouldn't.
Are you sure he doesn't have a loss, because I have never heard such a thing. Are you trying to tell me he went 49-0? Really? Wow. You learn something new everyday.
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:03 PM   #11
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Because it is an easy target to use to put Rocky into perspective ... the only man under thirty and over 200 pounds that he fought for his title ... the fact that the hopelessly outclassed ****ell took dozens of Rocky's best shots and took them well before crumbling builds the case against Rocky being able to dominate young, strong bigger men .. ****ell was not one but he was not 37, 39 or a tiny guy like LaStarza ..
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:08 AM   #12
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****ell was better than he looked. He beat lastarza and mathews and was unbeaten as a heavyweight. The marciano fight finished him, don never won another fight so any kudos valdes gets for beating ****ell is wiped out in my view. Valdes, aside from being big is SO over rated. He lost to 175 pounders satterfeild, moore, johnson the only name fighter nino actualy beat during marciano's championship was jackson. Remember charles was bear hugged to death and never given a rematch because ezzard still was beating all the guys who beat nino.
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:19 AM   #13
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Default Re: Why do people seem to hold the ****ell fight against Marciano?

though ****ell was in with certain defeat, he wasn't a proper HW, but rather a sick man, I always feel that fighters be ranked and rated at their true weight and anything above only enhances their resume.

Don ****ell was a Very Good, lesser great L-HW who showed his worth in some respectful HW outings, and that hows this fight should be seen... because his Pilsbury Dough Boy metabolism is the same thing that killed him relatively young, 54.

Marciano doesn't get anymore kudos here, nor should ****ell lose any!
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:31 AM   #14
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It was a fair fight, the English dont know American fighting. ( Why we are 2-0 against them in wars)

Sure there may have been a punch that weave here or there, but over all Marciano beat him fair. The rabbit punch before the knockdown ****ell turn into that.

As for being hit down, the punch was all ready on its way and Marciano could not stop it.(His own words on the down punch.)
It is 1:1 as far as i know : [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812[/ame]
And if u wonder who won ask yourself y is Canada a part of d commonwealth (or was such until some point ind 20th century) and not part of d U.S
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:33 AM   #15
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though ****ell was in with certain defeat, he wasn't a proper HW, but rather a sick man, I always feel that fighters be ranked and rated at their true weight and anything above only enhances their resume.

Don ****ell was a Very Good, lesser great L-HW who showed his worth in some respectful HW outings, and that hows this fight should be seen... because his Pilsbury Dough Boy metabolism is the same thing that killed him relatively young, 54.

Marciano doesn't get anymore kudos here, nor should ****ell lose any!
keep keeping it real , Rocco's foul play doesn't deserve any credit either .
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