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Old 03-23-2012, 11:22 PM   #16
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Ruiz can make an ugly fight with anyone and survive just about anyone... Not known as a puncher, he still decked Holyfield...

As much as I love Hearns, Ruiz is too big and too strong. I doubt he can be the boss in there as much as it would take to win a decision...
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Old 03-24-2012, 06:14 AM   #17
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Ruiz was not that good. Tommy was a welt to 175 pounder, but Ruiz? Hearns took a durable guy in Andries and made him limited and won easily. It is about quality and who they are fighting. Ruiz did not use his size which is why Jones and Toney fought him. Tommy would not beat a guy like Lennox or Klithcko or Tyson.
He wasn't as bad as you're making him out to be either.
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Old 03-24-2012, 06:21 AM   #18
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Tommy would make a good fight but would succumb eventually, his chin was shaky at Middle let alone Heavy.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:31 AM   #19
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Ruiz can make an ugly fight with anyone and survive just about anyone... Not known as a puncher, he still decked Holyfield...


yeah ****ing shot-to-****ing-shit rancid rotting decrepit ancient zombie remains of a man who once was a great boxer called Holyfield was decked by Ruiz it means jackshit as the same shot-to-shit Holyfield was stopped and dropped by ex-middle James Toney and this proves shot Holyfield does not have a great iron chin like he used to

that Tyson who Holyfield beat-up would of bounced that shot pile of diarrhea Holyfield who Ruiz fought off the canvas like a bouncy ball
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:34 AM   #20
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Ruiz would wear him down and stop him ..
True. A step too far for the Hitman.
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I have Ruiz in my top 15 ATG heavies.
Wow, really?
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Old 03-24-2012, 12:20 PM   #22
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In terms of prime vs. prime H2H... I think these guys were better than Ruiz-

Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Frazier, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Klitschko, V. Klitschko, Charles, Walcott, Johnson, Norton, Witherspoon, M. Spinks, Byrd, Moorer, Moore...

Toney was better... so was Ibeabuchi, Tua, Roy Jones Jr, and several others.
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Old 03-24-2012, 12:20 PM   #23
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I still doubt Hearns would beat him though! I am a huge Hearns fan btw.
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Old 03-24-2012, 12:23 PM   #24
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yeah ****ing shot-to-****ing-shit rancid rotting decrepit ancient zombie remains of a man who once was a great boxer called Holyfield was decked by Ruiz it means jackshit as the same shot-to-shit Holyfield was stopped and dropped by ex-middle James Toney and this proves shot Holyfield does not have a great iron chin like he used to

that Tyson who Holyfield beat-up would of bounced that shot pile of diarrhea Holyfield who Ruiz fought off the canvas like a bouncy ball
The CW version of Holyfield who beat Qawi (WSD15) in just his 12th pro fight would have stopped any version of Ruiz IMO.
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yeah ****ing shot-to-****ing-shit rancid rotting decrepit ancient zombie remains of a man who once was a great boxer called Holyfield was decked by Ruiz it means jackshit as the same shot-to-shit Holyfield was stopped and dropped by ex-middle James Toney and this proves shot Holyfield does not have a great iron chin like he used to

that Tyson who Holyfield beat-up would of bounced that shot pile of diarrhea Holyfield who Ruiz fought off the canvas like a bouncy ball
I appreciate you passion, but you're making a lot of assumptions of my view.

I agree with all of your counter points, but they have little to do with my point...

Holyfield could be dropped, even in his prime, and we all know chin is one of the last things to go.
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As of this morning Ruiz passed Joe Frazier in my all time HW rankings!
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Old 03-24-2012, 12:36 PM   #27
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As of this morning Ruiz passed Joe Frazier in my all time HW rankings!
Damn, it really is a cold day in hell lol
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As of this morning Ruiz passed Joe Frazier in my all time HW rankings!
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Wow, really?
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roy jones sr said it about buster mathis...too much meat on that man.

ruiz is too big and hearns was not a massive light heavyweight. just too much size for hearns to deal with and he was not mobile enough to pot shot like jones did
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